Sen. Tim Ashe, D/P-Chittenden, is chair of the Senate Committee on Finance. Photo by Roger Crowley/for VTDigger
Sen. Tim Ashe, D/P-Chittenden. File photo by Roger Crowley/VTDigger
[H]aving Republican Phil Scott as governor may produce better legislation than if Democrat Sue Minter had won, and electing Donald Trump president does not indicate a โ€œmassive groundswellโ€ of change or a dramatic shift in the American electorate.

Those are the views of the next leader of the Vermont Senate, Tim Ashe, a Chittenden County Democrat/Progressive who will succeed Sen. John Campbell, a moderate Windsor County Democrat who held the Senate president pro tempore position since 2011. Campbell decided not to seek re-election to the Senate in November.

In this edition of Digger Dialogue, Ashe, who just won his fifth term, discussed some of his priorities, some of the challenges, and the excitement of winning the top leadership post in the 30-member Senate.

Ashe was the top vote-getter of the six Chittenden County senators elected nearly two weeks ago. After the general election, his fellow Democratic senators selected Ashe as their leader. Sen. Claire Ayer, an Addison County Democrat, dropped her challenge at the last minute. Because Democrats have an overwhelming majority, winning the support of the caucus was essentially the race. The vote in January by the full Senate is expected to be a formality.

โ€œOn a personal level, itโ€™s hugely exciting,โ€ Ashe said in a 30-minute interview at the Hilton in Burlington, where had just finished moderating a panel discussion at a statewide housing conference. The 39-year-old Ashe (40 next month) said he had โ€œthe same bounce in my stepโ€ as when he entered the Senate in 2009 and had โ€œan insatiable appetite for information.โ€

Among the public policy challenges he wants to take on is trying to reduce poverty. Heโ€™s also outraged by medical costs he said are out of control, a โ€œblobโ€ with an unending appetite. On poverty, Ashe said he wanted to โ€œstep back and take a look at the myriad of programsโ€ and see whatโ€™s working and whatโ€™s not. He also said poverty is inextricably tied to the opiate addiction epidemic.

On a political level, Ashe pushed back on the idea that the Senate was shifting to the left with his selection as president and Progressive/Democrat David Zuckermanโ€™s election to the lieutenant governorโ€™s job. He said any move left would be โ€œmore subtleโ€ and the result of the new senators replacing ones not as liberal or progressive.

Ashe also strongly defended the selection of Sen. Dick Mazza, who represents the Grand Isle district, for the third position on a panel that determines Senate committee assignments and selects conference committee members at the end of the session. Ashe described Mazza as a โ€œcooling agentโ€ who recenters the Senate when tempers flare or legislation is moved along too quickly.

Mazza, a senator since 1985, is often โ€œthe adult in the room when it doesnโ€™t seem like anyone is acting like one,โ€ said Ashe.

Phil Scott
Gov.-elect Phil Scott. File photo by Roger Crowley/VTDigger
Ashe and Gov.-elect Phil Scott, the lieutenant governor for the past six years and a senator for 10 before that, served together and share a friendship Ashe said he did not have with Minter, whom Scott handily defeated.

Ashe has chaired the Finance Committee the last several years. He said ideas proposed by the Scott administration will get closer scrutiny than Minterโ€™s probably would have for the same reasons, he said, that some of Gov. Peter Shumlinโ€™s proposals went through without sufficient vetting.

When Ashe was first elected, Republican Jim Douglas was governor.

The Democrat-majority Legislature would โ€œkick the tires quite sufficiently and fine tooth comb every wordโ€ in Douglasโ€™ proposals. โ€œIโ€™m not sure that all the legislators in the majority had the same scrutiny when they received proposals from the Shumlin administration,โ€ he said.

Ashe called a certain skepticism โ€œa natural function of a contrary political party.โ€

And, he said, that natural tension may help convince voters that legislation was thoroughly reviewed.

If Minter had won, Ashe said, he would have felt the need to review her proposals even more closely.

โ€œI would have wanted to make sure that we were proving to the people that there was no rubber stamp in the Vermont Senate, and thatโ€™s a matter of personal pride. I try to give my friends a harder time than I give my opponents. No quarter for even your friends, and sometimes it creates awkward situations, but thatโ€™s the way you guarantee the people that they can have confidence that youโ€™ve really done your work,โ€ he said.

Ashe saved some of his harshest words for the $6 billion Vermont medical industry, which he said had โ€œan insatiable appetite to spend moneyโ€ and was full of waste. A new deal with the federal government appeared to be โ€œgiving (health care providers and hospitals) the keys and telling them to figure it outโ€ and was focused on limiting future annual increases in costs while โ€œbaking inโ€ current inefficiencies.

On the presidential race, Ashe noted that Hillary Clinton was a candidate with baggage and that she received millions fewer votes than President Barack Obama when he won re-election in 2012. Those votes, he said, had they been spread around, could have made the difference between victory and defeat. Trumpโ€™s total vote count is only slightly ahead of Mitt Romneyโ€™s in 2012.

The outcome, Ashe said, was not what he wanted. And whether itโ€™s health care reform or environmental policy, Ashe conceded the state and the Legislature will have to largely react to any changes at the federal level. On health care reform, he said that โ€œnot only could the rug be pulled out from under us but the foundation tooโ€ if the Affordable Care Act is repealed without a sufficient replacement.

Twitter: @MarkJohnsonVTD. Mark Johnson is a senior editor and reporter for VTDigger. He covered crime and politics for the Burlington Free Press before a 25-year run as the host of the Mark Johnson Show...

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