“I think Vermont has a sense that we’re all in this together,” says Allen Gilbert. File photo by Glenn Russell/VTDigger

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Allen Gilbert has had a front row seat to historic changes in Vermont that influenced the nation. As executive director of the Vermont chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union from 2004 to 2016, he was involved in the groundbreaking legal battles that led to the state’s landmark marriage equality decision. He was in the courthouse with 8-year-old Amanda Brigham and her parents for the landmark Brigham case that transformed Vermont’s way of funding education. And he has worked in the more elusive fight for universal health care. He writes about being a participant and witness to this history in his new book, Equal is Equal, Fair is Fair: Vermont’s Quest for Equity in Education Funding, Same-Sex Marriage, and Health Care.

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Twitter: @davidgoodmanvt. David Goodman is an award-winning journalist and the author of a dozen books, including four New York Times bestsellers that he co-authored with his sister, Democracy Now! host...