Walters: The eternal sunshine of Phil Scott

Phil Scott
Lt. Gov. David Zuckerman, left, and Gov. Phil Scott have a moment before Scott delivered his State of the State address on Jan. 9. Zuckerman and former Education Secretary Rebecca Holcombe are running to oppose Scott this fall. Photo by Glenn Russell/VTDigger

John Walters is a political columnist for VTDigger.

After three-plus years in office, Republican Gov. Phil Scott remains broadly popular. Despite the fact that he’s in the minority on many issues, he would be reelected in a walk if the election were held today. 

So says a recent VPR-Vermont PBS poll, which found that Scott was rated favorably by 57% of those surveyed — and that the vast majority oppose his positions on issues like paid family leave, increasing the minimum wage and a wealth tax to fight climate change. 

“I don’t know what to say. It seems illogical,” said Sen. Anthony Pollina, P/D-Washington, chair of the Vermont Progressive Party. “Does it mean people are less concerned with issues than with likability?”

After a moment of thought, Pollina answered his own question. “People vote for Phil and Bernie [Sanders] at the same time,” he said. “Vermonters really do respond to the person more than the policy.” 

Sen. Dick Mazza, D-Grand Isle, gets a little emotional when speaking of his regard for the governor. “The most important thing is trust,” Mazza said. “Of all the issues I’ve discussed with him, I’ve never had reason to doubt his honesty.” 

Secretary of Civil and Military Affairs Brittney Wilson, who managed Scott’s two gubernatorial campaigns, talked of a recent encounter between the governor and a young woman who confronted him about climate change. “He spent at least 20 minutes talking to her,” Wilson recalled. “A lot of people wanted to greet him, but he didn’t use it as an excuse to end the conversation.”  

Scott himself takes an aw-shucks approach to the question. “All I can do is be who I am,” Scott said at a Feb. 20 press conference. “I’m not conservative enough for some, not liberal enough for others.” 

Even those seeking to defeat Scott agree that the governor is a Nice Guy. 

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“Great, he’s a nice guy,” said former education Secretary Rebecca Holcombe. “But Vermonters need a governor who’s going to work on their behalf.” 

Holcombe and fellow Democratic candidate Lt. Gov. David Zuckerman face a tough task: How do you successfully campaign against Mr. Integrity? Holcombe believes the issues will win out over personality. But Democratic candidates had the same apparent edge in 2016 and 2018, and Scott won both elections easily. 

“The attacks haven’t worked. That speaks to his personality and character,” Wilson said. Especially in a time of vicious politics on the national level, Wilson added. “The authenticity of the governor is even more important. Civility and respect: We need that now more than ever.” 

Democratic gubernatorial candidate Rebecca Holcombe. Photo by Glenn Russell/VTDigger

Zuckerman believes he is Scott’s equal in decency and respect, and that gives him an advantage on other challengers. 

“People feel the same about both of us,” Zuckerman said. “That will take it to the issues.” And on the issues, Zuckerman is confident that he wins. “The poll didn’t make me nervous,” he said. “The issues have barely been talked about in the context of a campaign.”

To prove his point, Zuckerman contrasts two poll results. Scott is viewed favorably by 57% of responders — but in a head-to-head match-up, Scott gets 52% of the vote to Zuckerman’s 29%. Glass half full, says the lieutenant governor. “Without even starting a campaign, my leadership on the issues has reduced his level of support,” Zuckerman said. 

Let’s ask the guy who designed the VPR-VTPBS poll: Rich Clark of Castleton University. Does he see any signs that 2020 will be different? 

“I have no indication of that,” Clark said. He pointed to the partisan breakdown of the results. “Democrats who support some issues Phil Scott has opposed still support him. There are probably many voters who’d like the Democrats to have a veto-proof [legislative] majority who will vote for Phil Scott.” 

When asked if there’s any hope for beating the governor, Clark offered nothing but generalities. “It’s early. No one is talking about the gubernatorial election,” Clark said. “People won’t become engaged in the race until after the August primary.” Even then, he cautioned, national politics are likely to dominate voters’ attention, which makes the challenger’s job even tougher.  

Rich Clark, politocal science professor at Castleton University. Courtesy photo

There’s also evidence in the poll to suggest that Scott might not be as out of step as he appears to be. When asked which issues are of most concern to them, 30% named jobs and the economy, and 10% cited property taxes — two of Scott’s signature issues. No other issue scored higher than 10%. 

Other clues: Results were mixed on climate change. Nearly 60% said the state is doing about enough or too much on climate. Two-thirds of Vermonters supported reforming Vermont’s Act 250 land-use law to encourage downtown development, which Scott supports. And although a solid majority would support a wealth tax to fight climate change, they feel differently when asked a general question about raising taxes for the same purpose. On that question, 51% opposed a tax increase while 44% were in favor. 

In recent history, Vermont’s most successful governors have claimed the center ground. That includes Democrat Howard Dean and Republicans Jim Douglas and Richard Snelling. Dean may have run for president as a progressive — or “a member of the Democratic wing of the Democratic party,” as he put it. But as governor, Dean was a fiscal conservative who engaged in frequent battles with the Democratic Legislature. 

Scott’s claim to the center is underscored in the VPR-VTPBS poll, which found that the governor had stronger favorability numbers among independents (65%) and Democrats (58%) than among Republicans (54%). In an age of hyper-partisanship, that’s truly remarkable. 

Holcombe and Zuckerman are clearly presenting themselves as progressive alternatives to Scott, in the belief that there’s a market for that. But many a Democratic and Progressive candidate has learned the hard way that even in deep-blue Vermont, the center usually holds the balance of power.

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And many an issue-positive candidate has failed the test of authenticity.

Phil Scott may be a Republican in the Land of Bernie, but his next electoral defeat would be his first. 

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Tom Wheaton

I think its pretty clear that Vermonters like checks and balance, knowing that the Legislature is always going to have large Dem majorities. People are scared that if a progressive Dem gets the Guv seat, we will have a crazy rush to pass all kinds of new taxes and have unrestrained Government growth. Zuckerman may feign confidence, but he is going to get crushed in November. People are genuinely afraid of what he might do as Gov.

Tom Sullivan

“People feel the same about both of us,” Zuckerman said. “

No we don’t.

To be clear, it was Zuckerman that gamed the system seeking monetary reimbursement for meals and miles that he Never utilized, then boasts about it in a seven days article.

Governor Scott has more integrity than that.

Christopher Daniels

Vermonters like decent, competent people that can relate to everyone, from the populated areas and the small rural towns. It’s really that simple.

Until the Democrats figure this out, they’ll keep running up against a wall. I never saw a Democratic gubernatorial candidate in my small town each of the past two elections, and neither Zuckerman or Holcombe have made the efforts yet either.

George Eisenhardt

What does that say about David Zuckerman, “I am equal in decency and respect” sounds like he thinks an awful lot of himself.

Bruce S. Post

(This comment is not directed at Phil Scott.)

My old boss Hubert Humphrey uttered one of the greatest lines ever when Gerald Ford was being considered for appointment as Vice President by scandal-riven Richard Nixon. Ford, unfairly I thought, was not regarded as one of the sharpest tools in the toolbox. And, it was thought Ford could succeed Nixon if the latter were forced from office.

Against the background of these doubts regarding Ford’s intellectual capacity, a reporter asked Humphrey about Ford, saying, “But isn’t he a nice guy?” Humphrey replied, “So’s my Uncle Fred, but I wouldn’t want him to be President!”


Louis Meyers

If Bernie Sanders was running for governor of Vermont – with direct control over its taxes, administration, and a compliant supermajority in the legislature- I believe Vermonters would still choose Phil Scott.

Martin Dole

Phil Scott knows the issues keep taxes down reduce spending and look out foe Vermonter’s. The Democratic party has forgotten about the working man. Zuckermann spends money like water.

Greg Dennis

‪How is Phil Scott “Mr. Integrity” when the state ethics commission found he had a conflict of interest by retaining a stake in his private business while acting as governor?‬

Bob Zeliff

Yes Gov Scott is easy going and always smiling, but this pleasant facade masks that he has done his very best not recognize the poverty, the hardships, the impact to children both as youth and long term of the working poor in Vermont. We have over 60,000 working poor, often with only part time or “contract job- ie no benefits”. Most of the working poor are women, most attempt to support families.

His disrespecting, devaluing over 10% of the Vermont population is the darker underside of his smile.

Thankfully, his minimum wage veto has been over ridden so there is some help for the working Vermonters. Sadly his veto caused a shameful watering down of the hoped fore $15/hr wage.

Robert Roper

While the likability factor should never be discounted in the electability of any candidate, JW’s contention that “the vast majority oppose his positions” is not the case. The same could more accurately be said of his opponents. Yes, a majority of Vermonters want a paid family leave program, BUT a majority wanted a voluntary program (Scott’s position), not a mandatory one (what Dem/Prog lawmakers demanded). Yes, a majority want some action taken on climate change, BUT a majority don’t want that action to be taxes on carbon fuels or any other measure that would increase their taxes (again, Scott’s position and the opposite of Dem/Prog lawmakers). Yes, a majority of Vermonters think climate change is a problem, BUT a majority think high taxes and the economy is a bigger priority for elected officials to be focused on. Here again, Scott is more in tune with the electorate than Dem/Progs as JW notes. So why keep electing Dem/Progs when THEY are so clearly out touch with the voters?

John Freitag

It should be noted that the Vermont State Ethics Commission took back a controversial advisory opinion regarding Governor Scott and the construction company of which he once owned a share.
The whole thing was an attempted smear job by Paul Burns of VPIRG a month before the last election. There never was or has been any impropriety ever shown on the part of Phil Scott and the one who ended up tainted by this slimy tactic was not Scott but Burns.

David Dempsey

David “Zuckerman believes he is Scott’s equal in decency and respect.” I think he is equally as nice perosn as Phil Scott. That being said, I also think that he may be suffering from delusions of grandeur.


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