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  1. From the Alliance For a Healthier Vermont’s FAQ (http://www.allianceforahealthiervt.org/faq.php):

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    Will milk be taxed?

    No, all milk based products, such as chocolate milk, will be excluded from the tax. This is because milk has important nutrients and there is no scientific evidence that milk with added sugar is a significant contributor to obesity

    Will diet soda be taxed?

    No because it is not sweetened with sugar. There is no scientific evidence that diet soda is a significant contributor to obesity.

    Why not tax candy too?

    There is no scientific evidence that candy is a significant contributor to obesity. In addition, some candy contains important nutrients.
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    Seriously? Do every one of these organizations agree with the above answers?

    If so, Vermont has a much more serious problem than SSBs.

    From http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/DN2/Soda-increasing-deaths/-/957860/1635970/-/1gvonkz/-/index.html

    “In nature, sweet foods are packed with calories, so the brain naturally prepares its metabolism to burn those calories.

    However, research has shown that when the sweetness is present, but calories are not, metabolism slows to a crawl. The brain is then tricked into eating more, and because metabolism has slowed, more calories are then stored as fat.”

    http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Safety/chemical/artificial_sweeteners_weight_gain_1128121243.html

    1. A 16 oz coke has about 190 calories in it. A 16 oz lowfat chocolate milk has about 340 calories. But “milk has important nutrients” and would be exempt from the tax. But if you drink a taxable coke you can consume another 150 calories of items containing the unidentified imprtant nutrients in milk. I have several friends who are farmers, and I sometimes say to them, more seriously than jokingly, heaven forbid we piss off the farmers.

  2. Drinking sugar-sweetened beverages is a choice people make, nobody’s putting a gun to their head to do it. If politicians are worried about how regressive this tax would be, why not work with Sen. Sanders to stop the gasoline price gouging in NW Vermont by the likes of Skip Vallee and his conspirators? Won’t this alleviate some of the burden from the SSB tax on lower income individuals in this part of the state? I mean, nobody is forcing people to buy sugar-sweetened beverages but if you have to drive you do need to buy gas.

  3. The tax would raise awareness as well as revenues, lowering consumption and improving health.
    Most Vermonters would rather have affordable health care than affordable sweet drinks.
    It’s true the retailers near the border will suffer, but not enough to not do this. That issue is way bigger than just this tax.
    The governor has become a complete politician now- there is no such thing as too much hypocrisy.

    1. What’s next…taxing how much TV we watch because that makes us sedentary?

    2. In other recent stories on VTDigger.org, there were reports that about 17,000 individuals who currently obtain subsidized health care through some State programs will face significantly higher out of pocket cost for less coverage through the VT Health Care Exchange beginning in January 2014. The Governor stated that, at present, there isn’t the money right now to make up the $16-18 million gap to offset the increased premiums for these Vermonters. How about using this sugar-sweetened beverage tax to generate that money so nobody has to pay more out of pocket for coverage through the health exchange next year???

  4. I have to object to the notion that opposing taxes is “fiscally conservative” when it is in fact the opposite. As an actual fiscal conservative I know that revenues are necessary and to tax things that have significant social costs is a good thing (yes, and gas taxes are a good idea as well). Of course the key is to get them right and specific proposals may have problems.

    I also have to note the unbelievable (well, massive hypocrisy is commonplace these days) hypocrisy about calling the tax regressive when not really doing anything about poverty. A lack of freedom and a lack of the means or ability to use freedom because you cannot afford it are fundamentally the same thing. A tax on soda is not going to change that. If you want to help poorer people, actually help them, do not cover your blatant attempt to help big businesses who make sugar drinks as something noble. A tax on unhealthy foods actually benefits poor people in the long term so any regressivity is fleeting and a hypocritical smokescreen.

  5. Where is the data about obesity by age group? We may have more obese children, but we know that the elderly consume more health care services and dollars. Are the elderly also more obese than past generations which contributes to the higher healthcare costs? What is the principal cause of their obesity? Sugary drinks or calories from solid food? Should we raise taxes for those calories, too?

    Then there’s the real concern to assure that any dollars raised by the proposed sugar tax are used for reducing their consumption or for healthcare. The record is not good on using tobacco dollars only to foster smoking cessation.

    The real problem we face as a society is a growing permissive culture where personal and parental accountability and responsibility shrink as our girth expands, a symptom of the permissiveness.

  6. “…according to the alliance. In 2009, Medicaid paid for surgical tooth extractions for 421 Vermont children under the age of 5 at a cost of $2.2 million.”

    That is $5,225.65 per tooth extracted… seems like a huge sum to have a tooth extracted. Many who I’ve spoken with who have had a tooth extracted cite a few hundred dollars as the cost. We’re always told that Medicaid has the lowest reimbursement rates that is part of the reason private insurance is so low. Why is it so much more expensive for Medicaid recipients? or is this a bloated figure? Perhaps a better way then taxing sugary drinks is to remove this as an eligible item under the 3Square (Food Stamp) program.

    “The tax would raise about $27 million in Vermont based on figures from the Yale Rudd Center for Food and Policy. The money could be used to pay for an anti-obesity campaign, much like the anti-tobacco public awareness advertising that health advocates have successfully used to deter Americans from smoking, according to Tina Zuk, of the American Heart Association.”

    Although some of the tobacco settlement money and taxes are used for anti-tobacco programs much of this money is siphoned away to support unrelated projects (http://health.usnews.com/health-news/news/articles/2012/05/24/states-use-only-fraction-of-tobacco-revenues-to-fight-smoking-study-finds ,http://www.stateoftobaccocontrol.org/state-grades/vermont/highlights.html). Some have even likened the “fat taxes” to the anti-tobacco taxes. This simply seems like a money grab, which tobacco taxes have turned into. Just another reason to take more Vermonters money to support feel good pet projects that the state really cannot afford.

  7. I am the volunteer coordinator of the Alliance for a Healthier Vermont, the coalition supporting the Sugar Sweetened Beverage Tax.

    In response to Cheryl’s post about the high cost of tooth extractions, based on my conversations with oral health providers, many of those children had multiple extractions so the average cost per tooth is much lower than the figure you cited. I don’t know the exact figure however.

    I would also like to add that for everyone involved in supporting the tax, the income generated is a secondary benefit. The primary reason to enact a tax on sugary beverages is for health reasons– to decrease consumption to reduce VT’s obesity rates.

    The fact that money is raised is entirely secondary. Therefore, whether or not all or part of the tax goes to health related programs is of lesser concern to those of us working to fight obesity.

    1. “The fact that money is raised is entirely secondary. Therefore, whether or not all or part of the tax goes to health related programs is of lesser concern to those of us working to fight obesity.”

      That is what the British said when they passed the Sugar Act on the Colonial America in 1764.

      I think it caused a revolution.

  8. We tax cigarettes so we should tax anything with a high calories from carbohydrates content including milk,fast food, takeout ,etc

    Call it the Health Care User fee

  9. This tax would be regressive. It would be excessive interference of government in the private lives of citizens. It would be a very sticky situation.

    Sometimes sugar sweetened drinks are medically necessary – ginger ale for example during preps for colonoscapy. An ounce of Pepsi with Anacin is sometimes recommentded for first thing in the morning, especially for those who suffer from Cluster Headaches. Some people benefit from caffeine.

    The VT tax code is already unnecessarily complicated. Tax it if it is hot. No tax if it is cold. Artificially sweetened drinks are probably even more harmful than sugar sweetened ones.

    If any tax on food is necessary, let’s tax GMO foods – and foods that have artificial flavors.

  10. While we’re at it, might we consider a balanced approach that includes eliminating contributions to obesity funded by state government as profiled in this Burlington Free Press article by Molly Walsh awhile back.

    http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20110731/NEWS02/110730005/Weight-income-public-food-programs-look-how-pounds-add-up

    Taxing a consumers choice to buy a sugar sweetened soda on the one hand while on the other hand allowing the use of taxpayer funds to subsidize and thus encourage the consumption of these very same items, especially when those subidized are among Vermont’s most vulnerable, doesn’t make for a compelling pitch for higher taxes.

  11. 16 oz coke-about around 200 calories. 16 oz low fat chocolate milk-about 340 calories. As I often say to my friends who farm, heaven forbid we piss off the farmers.

  12. We need a Junk food tax. It will help solve the fiscal crisis/healthcare crisis. We need to raise taxes to deal with the budget/human needs crisis!!1 NO MORE CUTS IN AHS/DAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stop managing to the $$$$

  13. Putting momentarily aside the contradiction between the assertion that soda pop has reduced consumption of “healthy beverages like milk” and T. Colin Campbell’s extremely compelling argument in “The China Study” that milk is in fact more dangerous to our collective health than soda pop, I am intrigued by the suggestion that America’s obesity epidemic can be treated by taxing soda, which is sweetened with HFCS. America’s obesity problem is not attributable to soda pop but to the fact that America’s farmers are encouraged to grow corn, as they are encouraged to produce milk, in surplus, in order that it be cheap. The root cause of the obesity problem, which is our subject, is corn, which because it is grown in surplus to be cheap, is also consumed in surplus. That surplus allows some large portion of the harvest to be diverted away from human “food” to animal feed and other uses, like plastic, ethanol and HFCS, which finds its way into a host of manufactured “food” among them soda pop.

    In the years prior to WWII the average American worker spent about 32% of his/her annual paycheck for food. Today that expenditure has dwindled to about 8%, a four-fold saving. We have all thought this was a wonderful thing. And cheap food would be a good thing in and of itself until we realize that farmers have achieved “efficiencies” by consolidating into one barn as many cows as access to land and capital will permit, by feeding them not grass but corn (made from cheap petroleum) for maximum production and by externalizing the true costs of soil fertility (urea is soluble) and the disposal of manure, which if it is not returned to the same fields from which the cows feed came is spread in proximity to the barn at rates out of all proportion to the needs of the crops and is therefore a virulent, nitrite-laden non-point source pollutant, into the environment. Chesapeake Bay, the Great Lakes and Lake Champlain are all polluted to the brink of ecological collapse by farm wastes yet the government will not regulate let alone ban the use of fertilizer because doing so would be perceived as a burden to farmers. The real reason however is that it would raise the price of food.

    My point in a nutshell is that if America wants to lose weight, the government must encourage the production of healthy food, it must pay farmers directly what it costs to raise our food, plus a profit, so they will not use synthetic fertilizers to make surpluses that pollute the environment. Lowering agriculture’s use of petroleum (about 18% of American’s total annual energy consumption) also slows resource depletion and global warming. To achieve all this at one fell swoop, the tax you propose to be levied against soda pop should instead by levied against synthetic ammonium nitrate fertilizers. This would cause yields to drop and the price of food to rise. That is the point: if food were more expensive, we would eat less of it and lose weight.

    I know what you are thinking: raising food prices would also mean hardship, even starvation, for the lower classes. But these are better addressed with food stamps and other federal nutrition programs already in place. Feeding the poor can no longer be a justification for polluting the environment. The obesity epidemic, a polluted environment, rural economic recovery and global warming are all stanched by raising food prices.

    1. Thanks James. This makes a lot of sense.

      The drop in milk sales could be in part due to people becoming lactose intolerant. But, is it the lactose, or is it the all the industrial chemicals we get in our milk? Similarly, gluten itself may not be as much of a problem as the what is sprayed on the wheat and the way the wheat is refined.

      Clearly, this claim that the obesity problem is caused by sugar sweetened beverages is 100% incorrect. Sugar sweetened soda has been nearly non-existent for decades (although it has made a comeback as of late). If the AHV thinks the obesity problem over the past couple decades is caused by soda consumption, then why not focus on HFCS and Aspartame, the two ingredients that make soda so addictive and have the most dramatic effects on our metabolism? To suggest we tax green tea with a little organic cane sugar and not tax diet orange soda is really absurd.

      My advice for the proponents of the tax:

      1. Get the cane sugar cubes off your website. The drinks you show do not contain any sugar. They contain HFCS.

      2. Stop losing sleep over sugar. There are a hundred other food additives allowed by the FDA that are making us sick much faster than table sugar.

      3. Be our doctors, not our nannys. Focus on EDUCATION about food colorings, canola oil, MSG, artificial sweeteners and other obvious junk foods. Pontificating as though that diet coke in your hand somehow makes you better than the folks who drink regular is not helping.

  14. We should impose a junk food tax. It will solve our budget issues and pay for universal healthcare !!!
    We must raise taxes to offset cuts in AHS programs

  15. It seems like the system put in place to support the disadvantaged or disabled has been distorted to a point where it only serves as a sales tool for nutrition-less food products like HFCS. Much of entire generation of kids is living nearly 100% on chemical compounds while our local producers grow weaker with each passing year.

    Rather than continually adding layers of bureaucracy and the value shrinkage that goes with it, lets figure out a way to fill the need on a local level and enrich our local economy at the same time.

    The mainline connecting industry to tax dollars must be broken. A beverage tax would be directly returned to the same people as “corn money” and split with the bureaucrats who make it happen.

    It seems to always go back to cheap petro, as already mentioned.

    Just imagine if the corn farmers in your town produced all the HFCS consumed in your town.

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