Vaccinated kids account for 90 percent of child whooping cough cases in Vermont

Editor’s note: This article was updated at 1:18 a.m. to include additional information about the number of pertussis vaccinations that Vermont children have received this year. 

Whooping cough, or pertussis, is spreading across Vermont at a record rate this year, with 310 cases confirmed so far. As that number continues to climb, however, a clear-cut remedy is nowhere in sight.

Officials at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) say the best way to prevent pertussis is to get vaccinated. But data from the Vermont Department of Health (DOH) suggest that going through the pertussis vaccination regimen is not a sure-fire way to ward off the highly contagious disease.

As of Aug. 10, there were 178 confirmed cases of pertussis in Vermont children between the ages of six months and 18 years. Of that number, 90 percent — or 160 kids — had received at least one dose of the child vaccination, while the majority had received five or six doses. According to the DOH, one child had received one or two doses, eight had received three doses, nine had received four doses, 74 had received five doses and 68 had received six doses.

The DOH recommends that all kids under the age of 7 receive five doses of the vaccine known as DTaP, or the diphtheria, tetanus and acellular pertussis vaccine. The DOH calls for children to receive four doses before 18 months of age and another before kindergarten.

The problem with DTaP, as a study published last month in the New England Journal of Medicine shows, is that the vaccine loses its effectiveness. The study compared 277 children, ages 4 to 12, and found that a child’s odds of contracting pertussis increased 42 percent every year after the fifth dose.

Patsy Kelso, a DOH epidemiologist, said the vaccination regimen isn’t producing the desired results.

“The current thinking is that the pertussis vaccination is just not as effective as we’d like it to be,” she said. “Even if you’re vaccinated, it’s efficacy wanes after a few years. Although no vaccine is perfect, this vaccine is less good than we’d like.”

In addition to DTaP, there’s a pertussis vaccine called TDaP, which stands for the tetanus, diphtheria and acellular pertussis vaccine. Kelso said that before kids enter seventh grade, they should receive an injection of TDaP. She advised that adults and some senior citizens over the age of 64 should receive the vaccination, too.

According to the CDC, TDaP is even less effective than DTaP. U.S. officials estimate that the vaccine protects only seven out 10 people. Officials believe that DTaP has an efficacy rate of 80 percent to 90 percent during and right after the five-shot process. After five years, they estimate, the efficacy rate drops to 70 percent.

While Kelso acknowledged that the rise in documented pertussis cases is partially due to a new method used for testing the illness, she said Vermont’s record outbreak this year is not just a matter of calculation.

“In Vermont we started doing a new lab test for pertussis this year and it’s a lot more sensitive than the tests we used to do,” she said. “Even without that, though, there’s still an increase in cases.”

And it’s not just Vermont; every state but Michigan and California have experienced outbreak levels at least twice as high as those recorded by the CDC at this time in 2011. As of the 39th week of 2011, the CDC had recorded 11,969 pertussis cases. That number has nearly tripled this year, as officials have documented 30,908 cases.

In 2012, there have thus far been more cases of pertussis than in any full calendar year recorded since 1959, when roughly 40,000 cases were reported. The last time Vermont saw pertussis cases near this year’s level was in 1997 when 283 were reported. In 1996, 280 cases were reported.

As of Sept. 20 of this year, Vermont had the sixth highest incidence rate in the country, with 42 people per 100,000 contracting pertussis. Wisconsin had the highest incidence rate in the country at 78.6, then Minnesota with 63.5 and Washington with 58.1. The national average is 9.3 people per 100,000.

Kelso said that the current thinking among health officials is that this widespread uptick in pertussis is due to the vaccinations faltering. Nonetheless, she said, the vaccination can help fight off the illnesses when contracted, just as the flu vaccine can.

“We don’t say that it’s necessarily failing people because they might have less severe symptoms,” she said. When asked if she could quantify this observation, she said she couldn’t.

Despite the vaccination’s less-than-perfect track record, Kelso maintains that it’s better to get vaccinated than to not. Furthermore, it’s free.

“In Vermont, we provide no cost vaccines for all children and adults. So people should see their primary care providers because if their primary care providers are enrolled in our program, they get free vaccines.”

For those Vermonters without a primary care provider, Kelso said to contact a local health department office to learn about the numerous ways to obtain free vaccinations.

“The best thing is to get vaccinated,” she said. “And if children have a cough they should not go to school or child care. They should be seen by a health care provider.”

Andrew Stein

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merry shernock
3 years 8 months ago

I got the worst case of shingles my health care provider said she had ever seen…two years after I had the vaccine.

1 year 2 months ago

2 Years? thats too far away to have a correlation to me.

Jessica Bernier
3 years 8 months ago

The vaccine is, unfortunately, “less good” but, hey, “It’s free”eeeeee! No reason why you shouldn’t get all the free stuff you can. Besides, we have a sh*t ton of inventory to move. Did I mention it’s free?

Jessica Bernier
3 years 8 months ago

Will Harry Chen be putting this story on his new, expensive
educational materials?

Suzanne Gagnon
3 years 8 months ago

The word is “regimen” not “regiment.”

I concur. My kid got pertussis last Dec, having received the recommended regimen of vaccines.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
The 90% vaccinated is a little misleading – the pertussis vaccine does not confer protection until the primary series is completely administered, which is four shots by the age of ~15 months (or the 18 month mark listed in the story by DOH). So it would be interesting to see how many of the younger children are actually not completely immunized, either because the vaccinations are delayed for whatever reason or the child is too young to have completed the four-dose series. Regardless, the efficacy of the vaccine leaves a lot to be desired. Hopefully a better version will come… Read more »
Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago

Would you buy this product?
Product—90% failure
Price— $74.25 to $262.75 ($14.85 to $52.55/shot x5 doses)
Liability/Warranty—None
Most stores couldn’t give a product like this away…..
I am confused as to why we taxpayers are paying for this product?

Jason Boyd
3 years 8 months ago

90% failure? It stated 90% efficacy…which in this case means success. What they are saying though is that the effect of the vaccine wears off over time…so maybe you’ll still get it but hopefully not as bad if you hadn’t been vaccinated.

And where do you get the cost? The story mentions free. That is $0 ($0/shot x 5 doses = $0)

Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago
Hi Jason- 90% failure because 90% of the whooping cough cases GOT whooping cough—the vaccine failed them—that is they got the vaccine-preventable disease that was not actually prevented by the vaccine. The cost numbers are from the VT Dept of Health vaccine purchasing pool FY 2012 budget. That is what the States pays for each dose of vaccine. According to the Vermont DOH, the State costs per vaccine dose for 2012 range from $14.85 to $52.55 per shot depending upon whether it is a straight DTaP vaccine or DTaP combined with other vaccines (private sector pricing can be far higher).… Read more »
Ghoststar Azul
3 years 8 months ago
Not arguing about the cost but, 90 percent of the people who contracted whooping cough had received the vaccine is not at all the same as 90 percent failure. 90 percent failure would mean that 90% of the people that received the vaccine contracted whooping cough. The article states that 90% of the people who contracted whooping cough in Vermont had received the vaccine at some point. It is interesting to note that 10% had not had the vaccine. That statistic only includes the number of non-vaccinated people that contracted whooping cough. I wonder what is the percentage of the… Read more »
Joe Harris
2 years 6 months ago
In California, they found that 87% were fully vaccinated that got the whooping cough. 11 % were partially vaccinated,that got the whopping cough. And only 8 %, were non vaccinated that got the whooping cough. It appears, that the more vaccinated you were in Calif.the more of a chance you had to get the very disease you were vaccinated to prevent? That’s not logic, that is insane stupidity! Furthermore, the Idiots that said to do the new fad of cocooning your new baby. We now know, by the latest headlines that they were not protecting those babies. They were, by… Read more »
Will Workman
3 years 8 months ago
Dorian, your math is faulty. The vaccine didn’t fail 90% of the time. Of the people who got whooping cough, 90% had some vaccination. In order to know if the vaccine is effective, you would have to know what percentage of kids aren’t vaccinated. Let’s say that’s 5% of all kids. If unvaccinated kids make up 5% of the population but 10% of the actual whooping cough cases, then they disproportionately at risk. However, by the same reasoning the vaccinated kids make up 95% of the population, but only 90% of the whooping cough cases. There’s a benefit, but you… Read more »
Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago

Will- it’s about the percentage exposed to Pertussis—the numbers mean nothing if there was no exposure so it is not against the greater population.

Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago

I imagine that the 90% of pertussis cases that were vaccinated feel that the vaccine failed them 100%.

Danny Weiss
3 years 8 months ago

Katheryn Kinzel says, ” . . . a mediocre vaccine is better than no vaccine.”, when 90% of the cases spawn from vaccinated kids? Umm, me thinks not.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

Well yeah, because if no one was vaccinated we would be seeing MUCH higher rates of pertussis this year. That’s kindof common sense.

Jessica Bernier
3 years 8 months ago

And your proof for that is what? Because it seems more likely that we’d have less than 160 kids and their families being affected by Whooping Cough right now.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

See Richard’s explanation below.

Danny Weiss
3 years 8 months ago

Kathyrn Kinzel, don’t you really mean, if MORE people were vaccinated we would be seeing much higher rates of pertussis? That’s what the logic would indicate from the statistics.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

That’s not logical at all. If someone is not immunized against pertussis, and they are exposed, then the odds are pretty good that they are going to get sick. If they are immunized, then more often than not they will not get sick.

We are seeing 85% of cases having been immunized because the vaccine is not 100% effective. But it is more effective than doing nothing.

Danny Weiss
3 years 8 months ago

Not logical? I’m scratching my head as to how you establish your logic. The statistics from the Vermont Dept. of Health clearly state that 90% of those effected received the vaccine. That being the case, don’t you mean the odds are not just pretty good, but EXCELLENT that if one contracts this disease, they will have been immunized prior? That is precisely what these statistics indicate.

Jon Foote
3 years 8 months ago

Kathryn your logic is fuzzy… 90% of the cases were in vaccinated children. That means if you are vaccinated, you are 9 times more likely to get sick, than if you were not vaccinated.
So on these numbers it is more effective to not be vaccinated, otherwise 90% of the cases would have been in children that were NOT vaccinated.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
Guys, what we don’t know here is how many children in the state are immunized versus not immunized. When comparing two groups of people you need to have a common denominator, otherwise the raw numbers mean nothing. If we go just by the raw numbers, yes, more people that were vaccinated got pertussis. But there are probably many more people that are vaccinated in the first place, so the actual risk is much lower. Let’s say we have a group of 1000 people. 900 are immunized. 125 people get pertussis – 25 in the unimmunized group and 100 in the… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 7 months ago
Kathyrn here in Vermont, we do have numbers on vaccinations for all children entering kindergarten and seventh grade- with vaccine breakdown -from school nurses all around the state. These numbers are available on the Department of Health website. Vermont is at or above the CDC guidelines for vaccination of every vaccine except Chicken Pox which is the last to be added to the required schedule for school children in Vermont and was introduced as a “convenience” vaccine for employers and working parents. Now the Chicken pox which was once a rite of passage for all children, that continued to boost… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
Yes, there are data coming from school nurses, I believe the bill that was passed last spring enabled DOH to standardize reporting and make reporting a little more timely across the board – there were a lot of questions in the legislature about what numbers should be used and this would clear that up a bit. Vermont is at CDC guidelines when you look at each vaccine separately, but in terms of everyone getting every vaccine, not as good. And again, there was a lot of doubt in the CDC numbers, which prompted the ultimate action in the bill to… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 6 months ago
Just saw this ~ Kathyrn, the legislators tightened up the length of the “provisional” exemption to get the numbers up; it constitutes a significant chunk of the exemptions, ten percent if I remember correctly. The first grade reporting was inserted, as I understand it, to give us a clearer view of the vaccination status of children for there is quite a leap between kindergarten and seventh grade vaccination rates, which may reflect provisional exemptions rather than philosophical, religious or medical ones. Because the chicken pox vaccine is a live virus, once it is in the body it can trigger shingles.… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 6 months ago

Here is the link for more on the challenges of polio eradication http://cdrwww.who.int/immunization/sage/6_cvdpv_implications_nigeria_nejmoa0910074_apr_2011.pdf for Implications of a Circulating Vaccine-
Derived Poliovirus in Nigeria

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 6 months ago
There is not a lot of data yet regarding chicken pox vaccination and protection against shingles later – it could be that the kids that we are immunizing now, since they are not infected naturally, will not have virus reside in their body to cause shingles later. It could be that they are at a decreased risk of shingles, or they would get a milder form of the disease. The chicken pox vaccine is a live one, yes, but the virus is not able to infect – that would defeat the purpose of the vaccine. Global vaccination campaigns to eliminate… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 6 months ago
Kathryn ~ read the package insert for the chicken pox vaccine, under adverse effects, you’ll see it there – varicella. I have encountered many folks who had an outbreak of chicken pox right after getting the vaccine. Tp compare the data collected in a national telephone survey for children who are 19-35 mos and apply it to Vermont kindergarten children is like comparing apples and oranges. Vt school nurses report to the VT department of health by January of each year and if one were to look at the actual data , one would see that the vaccination rates increased… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 6 months ago
That’s right 47,500 ~ For flaccid paralysis on Pub Med: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22591873 dian J Med Ethics. 2012 Apr-Jun;9(2):114-7. Polio programme: let us declare victory and move on. Vashisht N, Puliyel J. Source Department of Paediatrics, St Stephens Hospital, Delhi 110054, India. [email protected] Abstract It was hoped that following polio eradication, immunisation could be stopped. However the synthesis of polio virus in 2002, made eradication impossible. It is argued that getting poor countries to expend their scarce resources on an impossible dream over the last 10 years was unethical. Furthermore, while India has been polio-free for a year, there has been a… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 6 months ago

Kathyrn, check it out Fourth year in a row, Vermont considered the healthiest state in the nation!

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 6 months ago
It actually says “varicella-like rash” – so if it is actually an activation of the vaccine, it is not causing full-blown chicken pox, just a couple of little spots (because right under “varicella-like rash” is “average number of lesions”, which is 2-5. I don’t doubt that you know people that got the chicken pox shortly after the vaccine, I am just not sure if it came from the vaccine. It is the same with people that claim that the flu vaccine gave them the flu – it takes a couple of weeks for immunity to take hold after a vaccination,… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 6 months ago
Gosh Kathyrn you seem to have that malady shared by the medical/pharma industry that if YOU say it ain’t so, it ain’t so. Look again. 1. Read the Package insert where you will find this language below that I just cut and pasted directly from Merck’s VARIVAX package insert: “The following additional adverse reactions have been reported since the vaccine has been marketed: Body as a Whole Anaphylaxis (including anaphylactic shock) and related phenomena such as angioneurotic edema, facial edema, and peripheral edema. Hemic and Lymphatic System Aplastic anemia, thrombocytopenia (including idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP)). Infections and Infestations Varicella (vaccine… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 6 months ago
I don’t consider education to be a malady. I am just trying to convey what I have learned as a biologist and epidemiologist in an attempt to get others to really look at the data and think for themselves. I did read the package insert, and your list of various reported conditions comes right after the clinical trial information. I focused on the clinical trial because those studies are often regarded as the gold standard, and side effects that occur in those studies are a good representation of what will happen among the entire population. Here’s where that list of… Read more »
CATT WHITE
3 years 8 months ago

Less good than they would like it. Or less good for you, period. Like any of them are.

Richard Hopkins
3 years 8 months ago

Assume a vaccine is 90% effective and a population of 1000 people has 95% vaccine coverage. There will be 50 people who are unprotected because they were not immunized and 95 people are not protected because of vaccine failure. So about 2/3 of the susceptible people are among the immunize, and if the disease agent is introduced about 2/3 of the cases will be among the immunized. The vaccine is STILL 90% effective — that is, the rate of disease is 90% lower in the immunized than in the immunized.

Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago
Richard, I am following your numbers up until “2/3 of the susceptible people are among the immunized, and if the disease agent is introduced about 2/3 of the cases will be among the immunized.” That would mean that 66% of the cases would be in the fully vaccinated and 33% in the non-vaccinated. But only 9% of the cases were in unvaccinated kids not 33% of the cases. When the numbers are compared to what the state considers to be appropriately vaccinated by age group the fully vaccinated group comes to 76% of the cases, rather than the 66% or… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
The calculation was an example, showing that when the vast majority of the population is immunized, you will see a higher case count in the vaccinated than the unvaccinated – purely because there are more of them. If everyone that was not protected in Richard’s example got sick, then 50/50 unvaccinated (100%) would be sick and 95/950 (10%) would be sick. I would rather have the hypothetical 10% chance versus the 100% chance. We can’t use the numbers from the state on their own – we have no idea how many people in the state are in each group, so… Read more »
Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago
Kathryn, I have heard that example many times and it is a straight percentage example based on an assumption of a certain percentage efficacy rate of a vaccine, so Richard’s example is correct in his math based on the 90% efficacy rate, but the vaccine is not 90% effective.That is the evidence.So that is why the example is not useful. If we “can’t use the numbers from the state on their own” what numbers are we supposed to use? These ARE the numbers. This is the outbreak. The State Dept of Health does indeed have numbers of kids vaccinated and… Read more »
Dorian Yates
3 years 8 months ago
Kathryn, I have heard that example many times and it is a straight percentage example based on an assumption of a certain percentage efficacy rate of a vaccine, so Richard’s example is correct in his math based on the 90% efficacy rate, but the vaccine is not 90% effective. That is the evidence.So that is why the example is not useful. If we “can’t use the numbers from the state on their own” as you say, what numbers are we supposed to use? These ARE the numbers. This is the outbreak. The State Dept of Health does indeed have numbers… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

I have explained this fully in a comment below.

Will Workman
3 years 8 months ago

Richard I get your example as an example, but you start with the assumption that a vaccine is 90% effective, and I think the effectiveness is what’s being questioned.
To calculate effectiveness, it seems we just need to compare rates of the disease in immunized vs non-immunized to their proportion of the general population. If vaccinated kids make up 90% of the population and 90% of the cases, and non-immunized kids make up 10% of the population and 10% of the cases, there would appear to be no benefit to the vaccine.

Megan McCormick
3 years 8 months ago
The problem with this example is the assumption that every single susceptible person (regardless of whether they are unvaccinated or the vaccine “protection” wore off) will contract pertussis when exposed to it. I have one partially vaccinated child (vaxed until 8 months of age when they were stopped due to health issues), one completely unvaccinated child, I am an adult who hasn’t had a booster shot since I was in middle school, and a military husband who is forced to get every vaccine under the sun and stay up to date. We recently found out that all four of us… Read more »
Palmer Peet
3 years 8 months ago

The best defense to any communicable disease is to keep your body’s own inborn innate resistance as high as possible. Health comes from within, not from some pill, shot, or potion. One should remember that all immunizations have potential serious side effects. Does it make sense to risk those injuries with an immunization that is so ineffective?

Kkathy Slaughter
3 years 8 months ago
Finally a voice of reason! It is our immune systems that are designed to protect us against disease, and the healthiest people are those who make the best effort at strengthening theirs through diet, exercise, healthy lifestyle, and doing their best to avoid toxins and other environmental assaults. And immunizations are detrimental to the immune system. For example: “A recent study from the New England Journal of Medicine of May 1996 revealed that tetanus vaccine disables the immune system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a drop in T cells in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

That study from the New England Journal of Medicine wasn’t looking to see if vaccinations were causing this effect, just that any common antigen would have this effect! Anything would do this – a cold, parasitic infections, stomach bugs, anything!!

Scientifically, you cannot look at these results and somehow only be able to blame vaccinations. It’s irrational and irresponsible.

Bonnie Newfield
3 years 8 months ago

I know of a man who as a child got a SINGLE DOSE of DPT. He went into convulsions! He became paralyzed! As he grew older his left leg didn’t grow as fast as his right (it is now about 3/4″ shorter); and most importantly the paralyzes continued into adulthood!

None of my kids had these injections! Look at polio where kids inoculated with the vaccine still got it.

These shots are only money makers for the manufacturers and taxpayers should not bear the costs!

Deborah Kahn
3 years 8 months ago
One thing that no one has mentioned is that many of the unvaccinated children are probably immune at this point and for several years to come. Why? Because if you’ve never been vaccinated and you catch pertussis you’ll end up with long-term immunity. On the other hand, if you get the vaccine you run into an interesting problem which used to be called “original antigenic sin”. This is a phenomena where the first variety of a bug that the body encounters sets the immune response. Unfortunately, the vaccine version of the pertussis bacteria sets up an incomplete immune response which… Read more »
Jason Dowd
3 years 8 months ago
Vaccines should be a cost-benefit analysis, just like any other drug that you would take to treat something. I remember taking an Rx drug about 15 years ago to treat a GI problem I was having, and it gave me horrible diarrhea after one dose. So, naturally, I stopped taking it. Thus the cost of that drug to me outweighed the benefit. The problem with vaccines is two-fold; one, there are no accurate numbers on what the “cost” of a vaccine is in terms of health. There is far too much evidence that vaccines can have more serious side effects… Read more »
cia parker
3 years 8 months ago
My daughter got the DTaP at 2, 4, and 6 months, and should have been protected, but caught pertussis at a La Leche League meeting at 8 months old. And then she gave it to me! It was alarming, ten coughs per breath, she coughed up vast sheets of clear, slippery mucus at the end of each fit, and coughed for over a month, I for over two months. But the disease is very rarely dangerous in those over four months old, and it was not dangerous for us. We eventually recovered and now have permanent, or almost permanent immunity… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
I am actually a little astonished that with your first hand experience with pertussis you still think getting the disease isn’t that bad. Pertussis can be very serious for all age groups, especially if there are any underlying medical conditions – I have seen kids between 1 and 5 be hospitalized because they can’t breathe. With this new vaccine even three doses may not be enough, which is why the fourth is scheduled for between 12 and 15 months to complete the series. And that’s the main problem with this vaccine, it doesn’t produce the results that we would like.… Read more »
Debra DeWitt
3 years 8 months ago

If there is no link between autism & vaccines why has our government paid awards to families for vaccine injury that injury including autism? What about the court in Italy?

If vaccines are safe & effective…why are any fully vaccinated children getting the disease?

I think just as no one person has the same height, blood type or freckles, we are going to find eventually that not all immune systems work exactly the same.

I’m not anti-vaccine. I did vaccinate my children. Both have autism. Both were hospitalized within days following vaccination. Both diagnosed before 1998.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

There may have been one case that actually got paid, but there will never be any more – the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program had several lengthy proceedings that ultimately concluded that there was no link.

The Italian court made a mistake. The evidence presented was in no way strong enough to show a causal relationship between the vaccine and autism, and they are going to look stupid when they have to go back on their ruling.

Vaccines are safe and effective – no medicine or drug or vaccine is 100% effective and 100% free from side effects.

Eileen Foster
3 years 8 months ago

It is interesting to see that anyone questioning the use of Vaccines is vigorously smacked-down with definitive statements such as, “Vaccines are safe and effective!”

Really?

Vaccines are an *uninsurable* risk which distinguishes them as markedly different from other medications.

No insurer will underwrite vaccines due the known, documented, fact that a certain percent of children who are vaccinated will be harmed, even killed.

We have VAERS because Vaccine Manufacturers can not insure themselves against lawsuits due to damages from vaccines.

An uncomfortable truth, but there it is.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
I’m not sure what you mean by “uninsurable”. My insurance covers vaccines all the time. And VAERS is in place mostly as a surveillance system, to make sure that vaccines are performing well after they have received FDA approval. VAERS caught the connection between the first rotavirus vaccine and intussusception, which was not a common reaction but was found to be linked to the vaccine, and the vaccine was removed within weeks of it being released. The actual uncomfortable truth? If everyone was able to sue the vaccine manufacturers for every adverse reaction they could think of, no one would… Read more »
Sarah White
3 years 8 months ago
Kathryn, There is a link. It’s the mitochondria which are very vulnerable to environmental stressors (chemical and viral). If your child has a hidden underlying mitochondrial problem then they are at risk for aderverse reaction. The fact of the matter is children have been injured by vaccines and there are thousands of vaccine injury cases that have been quietly settled by the US government. Many of those injured children have an autism diagnosis. One of those cases is Hannah Poling, a child who regressed into autism after getting a series of shots she received as a baby. The HHS conceded… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
The problem with linking these cases together is that there is simply not enough evidence to prove that the vaccines were the triggering event for these diseases. Often times it just happens that the disease manifests itself around the same time as vaccination. Naturally, we would want to connect those two dots, but scientifically, they cannot be connected. The mitochondrial disease mechanism that you are mentioning is a fairly new way of thinking about diseases – however a lot of them are not caused by damage to the mitochondria themselves, but are regular genetic mutations, so I don’t tend to… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago

“Her father, Dr. John Poling, a neurologist and researcher, has stated that there could be thousands of children just like Hannah.”

One in six kids have some form of neurodegenerative disease.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago

There could be thousands of children like Hannah, since the 2010 estimate of autism prevalence was 6 in 1000. Which is far from 1 in 6.

Steven Smith
3 years 8 months ago
Hard to say what percent effectiveness the pertussis vaccine has because, as the study pointed out, that number changes with time since vaccination. I’d like to see more data on the delayed onset of disease and the mortality rates from the disease. While I am skeptical about the claims of vaccinated but infected people getting less severe disease than unvaccinated infected people, it does look like the data on the dept of health website suggested the age spread is shifted to catching the disease later in life. This is important since most deaths from pertussis are in the first year.… Read more »
Melissa Curry
3 years 8 months ago

Interesting. My non-vaccinated 13 month old was exposed to pertussis in his church nursery last month (from a baby who had 2 doses of DTaP so far), but never contracted it. Sounds to me like no vaccine is better than having it. 🙂 I know, anecdotal evidence doesn’t hold water to scientific research, unless it’s YOUR anecdotal evidence! 🙂

Johanna Sharpe
3 years 8 months ago

I love this post, it’s been my experience there are better ways to deal with these illnesses then vaccinations. Of course these are personal experiences not scientific “fact”.

Machell Klee
3 years 8 months ago
I choose to not vaccinate after my oldest had a status seizure that lasted over 6 hours add fried her 21 month old brain after a dtap vaccine. Her neuro at that point exempted her from all further vaccines. She developed hypsarrythmia, progressive encephalopathy, became a quad, non verbal and was having 200 to 300 seizures a day. I choose not to vaccinate my other two because I couldn’t live with myself if they were injured too. One must keep in mind that most parents who choose not to vaccinate don’t make that decision lightly and take it very seriously.… Read more »
jay davis
3 years 8 months ago

Although this may sound a bit paranoid and cynical, through the years I have seen the medical profession offer snake oil after woodchuck juice and claim it worked.

Recall if you can follow the history of mediciane and all its praised treatments and prventions, how many given true scientific ebidence can they praise today.
Maybe the polio vaccine, yet if this virus were loosed today, given nobody is immunized anymore, what would be the result. The same could be said for dread smallpox.

Now does anyone want a very healthy circumcision?

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

Just FYI, we still immunize for polio.

And we have gotten better at medicine over the centuries because our understanding of the world around us has gotten better – changes in practice are probably going to be smaller as time goes on compared to the larger jumps of medicine changes from ancient Greece to today.

Jakob Kostic
3 years 8 months ago

Thank you Kathryn! You are the only logical and right minded person here. Thank you for not being an idiot like the rest of these morons!

3 years 8 months ago

There are several Pertussis articles linked at the S 199 info attached.
I think most critical is the documentation of fully vaccinated children being asymptomatic carriers. Australia has abandonded the “cocooning” strategy. What is a greater risk to an infant- an older sibling who is obviously ill and whose parents will prevent his interaction with the baby or a vaccinated infected and contagious yet symptom free older brother or sister playing kissy face? Last article in
http://www.scribd.com/doc/80383332/S199-Commitee-Submission-With-Exhibits
More VT vaccine information
http://www.scribd.com/doc/85943667/VT-S-199-amp-HB-527-Information

Alice Bedford
3 years 8 months ago

I think it would be interesting to see how our behaviors have changed in regards to infants and their care.

Are we increasing risk by presenting infants to a greater risk profile by , day care , medical center visits , shopping malls …

3 years 8 months ago
“Now does anyone want a very healthy circumcision?” Yes and also “How about some toxic fluoride in your water. You know that stuff you drink, cook with, shower in and feed to baby.” “How about some mercury in your “silver” fillings,” You know the second most toxic crap on this planet.” “How about some degenerative GMO “foods”, You know that crap produced by Monsanto shown in honest testing to start to destroy your organs in hours of ingestion.” And lastly how about a federal police force headed by a “lady” who believes those who believe in our Constitution and fight… Read more »
3 years 8 months ago

“Just FYI, we still immunize for polio.”

No actually we do not. We “vaccinate” for polio. Immunization is a natural process that can only be accomplished by contracting the wild polio naturally.

And we would do well to see just what a mess the “polio vaccination” has brought us.

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/03/the-polio-vaccine-part-1-2/

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago

From Merriam-Webster, “immunize” simply means to make immune, and “immune” is “having or producing antibodies capable of reacting with a specific antigen”. Which is done with either natural infection or vaccination.

The website that you linked to provides very misleading and sometimes completely wrong information, so I would suggest that you get your information from a better source.

William Koch
3 years 8 months ago
I do wonder how old Lou Monter is. My mother’s generation feared paralytic polio every summer, and one need look no further than President Roosevelt to see the result of infection. To state that polio vaccination has been “a mess” is simply ridiculous and scientifically unfounded. And, before there is a call for my head, please imagine a world with unbridled poliomyelitis. The simple truth of the numbers is that, with the extremely high vaccination rates we have, there are very few unvaccinated children in the population. There is, however, a known failure rate for every vaccine. At the extreme,… Read more »
Cynthia Maurer
3 years 8 months ago
Vaccine science is grossly flawed. Natural immunity produces a different type of antibody than that induced by the introduction of an organism or denatured organism through vaccine. The antibody of natural immunity is much more effective in fighting a disease than the antibody artificially produced by vaccination. Then there are all the carcinogens introduced into a young child’s body, some so young their immune systems are not completely matured, that can poison them. Chemicals like formaldehyde, squalene, mercury, etc. If you truly love your child, you don’t inject poisons into their little bodies. Too many parents are intimidated and buy… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
Antibodies are antibodies – whether created due to infection or due to vaccination, they do the same thing and are made from the same amino acids. Infection often produces a more systemic response than a vaccine and so might be considered a little “stronger”, but in those cases vaccination is done over a couple of shots, to get the same reaction without the illness. The chemicals that may be present in vaccines are present in such a low amount that they will not to any harm at all to a child. You ingest more chemicals every day than what would… Read more »
Cynthia Maurer
3 years 8 months ago

Vaccine science is grossly flawed and endangers our children.

3 years 7 months ago
Yes and not only our children although they are currently bearing much of the assault. We currently have an Alzheimer’s epidemic raging. Guess what is at the root of this epidemic? “We have found that clinically normal individuals aged 60-65 who receive influenza vaccine three or four times during a five-year period, will five years later have an incidence of Alzheimer’s disease 10-fold greater than age-matched individuals who did not receive it.” Doctor H. Hugh Fudenburg, MD, Note and CDC cannot figure out where Alzheimer’s is coming from. Right! 90% of our seniors are getting the “flu vaccine” toxin. Old… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
I can’t find any paper published in a respectable journal that contains that quote. Which means that this is something that this particular person thought, which cannot be used as evidence. The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, mostly those 65 years of age and older. The flu shot helps to prevent many cases and should be given to everyone, not just to people at risk. There is no evidence at all that links Alzheimer’s to flu vaccine. There is also no evidence that fluoridation of water has any negative effect, which would be known by this… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago
“The flu kills hundreds of thousands of people every year, mostly those 65 years of age and older. The flu shot helps to prevent many cases and should be given to everyone, not just to people at risk.” Well Kathryn please show me the articles in “respectable journals” supporting you statement. The CDC has CONTINUOUSLY overstated the mortality of seasonal influenza often by over 100 fold. They are NOW saying they have no idea how many die from the seasonal flu. We know it is less than 700/year for MOST years, perhaps MUCH less if based on serological results. Honest… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
So, I’m not sure that something is completely honest when it uses inflammatory terms like “Damned Lies”. I can also see a glaring mistake in the first table, where whomever was reading the death certificates forgot to include pneumonia due to influenza as a flu death – so that flu death number is deceptively low. The 2010 ACIP recommendations, which for the first time recommended flu vaccination to everyone over 6 months of age, cites 552 references which were reviewed to make that decision. Here are a selection which show the burden of disease on the population (All in respectable… Read more »
Char Spoon
3 years 8 months ago
“Before the vaccine was developed, whooping cough was considered a childhood disease. Now whooping cough primarily affects children too young to have completed the full course of vaccinations and teenagers and adults whose immunity has faded.” Via MayoClinic. It is spread by being around someone who has it. SO, if the vaccinations have turned this into something we get when we’re OLDER now, it begs to reason more CHILDREN are going to be exposed. I understand it can be fatal (rarely so) in infants… yet they don’t receive “enough” of the vaccine to be immune?! So wait, other than the… Read more »
Jennifer Fisk
3 years 8 months ago

I can think of a lot of reasons for this. Perhaps the virus has mutated just a bit thus rendering the antibodies from the vaccination useless.
We have learned that puppies should not be vaccinated until they have been weaned for about 4 weeks. The maternal protection gained from nursing interferes with antibodies being formed via vaccination. Perhaps, nursing human babies have a similar situation.
Rather than revaccinating, why not run titers on kids at around the onset of puberty. That’s the best recommendation in the dog world. Why not humans.
And the bottom line is follow the money.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
Jennifer is on the right track about a couple of the thoughts she’s presented – vaccines that contain a weakened pathogen are given after two years of age, because of lingering maternal antibodies from the placenta and from breastfeeding that could inhibit the response from the vaccination. This is not the case with dead or subunit vaccines, of which pertussis is a member. The trouble with the new vaccine is that it only contains a few subunits of protein from the pertussis bacterium – the one that used to be given before the mid 1990s was the entire pertussis bacterium,… Read more »
Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 8 months ago

Kathyrn, you are wrong. The problem with the old DPT/DPTT vaccine was not just fever and pain. The vaccine killed hundreds of children each year

http://www.albionmonitor.com/free2/dpt.html

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago

I get my facts from epidemiological studies. The old DPT vaccine frequently caused fever, pain, drowsiness, lack of appetite, and sometimes vomiting. There was also a less common reaction of very high fever and convulsions (about .05% risk), and it was this reaction that doctors wanted to reduce. There may have been a connection between encephalopathy and the DPT vaccine, but if there was, the risk would be between 0% and .0001% and it may have been due to other causes.

So, hundreds of children being killed? Unlikely.

Lisa Mackenzie
3 years 7 months ago
If you are interested in conversation rather than an argument in which you must prove yourself to be right, go to the VAERS page and search death from DPT and you will find nearly 700 claims for death following the DPT shot. The deaths and the loss families suffered is real. Even Paul Offit, patent owner for one of the Rotavirus vaccines and golden boy representative of the vaccine industry, acknowledges that grave harm has been done by vaccines on his page: http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs The arrogance of representatives of the medical industry,deeply imbued in the culture of fear and drugs, along… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
I am interested in a conversation – whenever I try to mention my view of things I am slapped around by people who think that vaccines are awful and I must be brainwashed from Big Pharma. This comment thread is evidence of that, and honestly, a comment thread is not the best place for a good conversation. But I am all for having an open discussion where people can say what is on their minds and what they feel. Multiple times on this thread I have acknowledged that vaccines are not perfect. In some rare instances they have caused problems,… Read more »
Dr Wes Hill
3 years 8 months ago
I think everyone is forgetting the entire premise of vaccines. It’s said to give immunity. What these numbers and stats show is that it in fact does NOT give immunity. The whole it wrists off thing is CYA. Any human being can deduct easily that it is a tactic. Throwing numbers out there like its 90% effective, or maybe 80, well actually 70 is obviously made up. They state that the vaccine does not WORK, but it’s free so it’s the best way to prevent, yet they state earlier that the rise in numbers is due to better testing. All… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 8 months ago
There have been and currently are many studies being done to look at vaccine efficacy – as with many medicines, sometimes what works in a trial or in the lab doesn’t work when given to the general population. We know that the vaccine doesn’t work as well as we would want it to, but we also know that it is better than not being protected at all. I think by morbidity you actually mean mortality, and yes, with access to medical care, pertussis deaths are not what they used to be, but that doesn’t stop it from being a really… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago

Dear Madam

Anyone with eyes to read KNOWS the “pertussis vaccine” is a complete and TOTAL failure. One of the prime reasons for this failure is, the failure of the mothers “vaccinated” for pertussis. to produce the immunity in their mother’s milk that is REQUIRED to protect their babies from pertussis.

The “pertussis vaccine” does not confer immunity from the wild pertussis and appears prevent so “vaccinated” mothers from protecting their babies.

So the problem we are having with pertussis IS the “VACCINE”.

http://healthyprotocols.com/2_vac_pertussis.htm

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
I think I am able to parse out what you are saying in your comment – the pertussis vaccine does what any vaccine does, which is to stimulate antibodies against that particular pathogen. Antibodies do carry over through the placenta and breast milk, so as long as the mother has high enough antibody levels, the breastfeeding infant will have some protection. The problem with this particular vaccine is that antibody levels drop faster than we would like, which leads to increased infections. So a mother that has not had the vaccine in several years will not have enough antibody passing… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago
“So a mother that has not had the vaccine in several years will not have enough antibody passing through the breast milk” Yes but a mother who has contracted the wild pertussis will produce FULL immunity for at LEAST 30 years. This immunity will be passed on to her baby. All kinds of things have been “debunked” by the “medical community” including by for profit offit and the totally vaccine industry owned IOM. The epidemiologics of the pertussis outbreak are ineluctable. “Vaccination” is NOT the answer! “A placebo-controlled trial of acellular pertussis vaccines in Sweden compared vaccinated children with un-vaccinated… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
Immunity from infection with pertussis may not last the full 30 years – there have been papers that show that natural immunity varies from person to person. Which would not help this mother if she was infected as a toddler and is pregnant in her early 30s. The epidemiology of the current pertussis outbreak simply tells us that the vaccine we are currently using is not as good as we want it to be. Which has been stated in this article and also in the comments I’ve posted. Should we get a better vaccine? Yes, ideally, we should. But these… Read more »
Cynthia Maurer
3 years 8 months ago

I had pertussis as a child. I survived, but was still subjected to receiving the live pertussis vaccine. Mountains are often built from molehills. vaccines are as unnatural as GMOs. And, yes, Kathryn, the antibodies of natural immunization and the ones induced by vaccination are different. One is IgM and the other is IgG
You don’t really know the harm until your child is the one who is damaged. Let those parents who wish to not vaccinate their children alone and don’t bully them.

Louis Sullivan
3 years 8 months ago

The human immune response produces both of these antibodies and both are effective regardless of whether the exposure was natural or not. IgM antibodies are short term responses to an infection and fight off the existing pathogen. Then, IgG antibodies are produced and stay in the body to protect against future exposure. The immune response doesn’t differ when a vaccine triggers it. Both antibodies are produced.

3 years 7 months ago

Why is there almost no data from 1982-1992?

SandyW

https://www.facebook.com/wellnessalongthepines

3 years 7 months ago
“and “immune” is “having or producing antibodies capable of reacting with a specific antigen”. Which is done with either natural infection or vaccination.” No again. Possessing antibodies has NEVER been shown in clinical trials (honest ones) to have any effect on disease. “While the medical, pharmaceutical, and vaccine industries are busy pushing new vaccines for practically every condition under the sun, a new study published in the journal Immunity completely deconstructs the entire vaccination theory. It turns out that the body’s natural immune systems, comprised of both innate and adaptive components, work together to ward off disease without the need… Read more »
Louis Sullivan
3 years 7 months ago

Your comment clearly demonstrates a lack of understanding of how the immune system works and what that study even reported. If vaccines in no way affected immunity, then why are they effective throughout history? Even back to the very first vaccine for cowpox.

3 years 7 months ago

The “effectiveness” of “vaccines” is a clear fraud.

http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/obamsawin/ImmunizationGraphs-RO2009.pdf

Louis Sullivan
3 years 7 months ago

Did you even read that? Nowhere does it provide evidence that vaccines are ineffective throughout history. Most of those graphs show trends before vaccines were introduced, and many of the others show decreases in mortality and infection rates after. As for the later sections, they show no causation or even the most remote hint at causation between vaccination rates and other afflictions.

3 years 7 months ago
“Nowhere does it provide evidence that vaccines are ineffective throughout history.” It is difficult to prove a negative but how about this. “Vaccination programs in the late 19th and early 20th century decimated the populations of many countries where government sponsored vaccination programs were introduced. Japan suffered 48,000 deaths from smallpox vaccination; England and Wales experienced 45,800 smallpox deaths in a population that was 97% vaccinated against smallpox. Australia and Germany combined with a total of 120,000 deaths from the very smallpox for which they had been vaccinated. European deaths amongst the vaccinated portion of the population totaled 3,000,000. Deaths… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
No, this is more mortality data for the most part – you have to take into account that hygiene got better during this time period and that led to more people not dying from their illness – it still means that they got the illness! And smallpox vaccination in the 1800s consisted of cutting the arm of the person to be vaccinated and rubbing smallpox (or cowpox) pustules into the wound. It hurt, it wasn’t clean, and it didn’t always work. The good news is that we don’t do vaccination like that anymore! So it’s impossible to compare the health… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
This is the most ridiculous PDF I have ever read. 1) Disease MORTALITY decreased since 1900 because we got very good at recognizing that hygiene was important in keeping people alive, and other public health efforts were starting to be put in place to keep people alive. You know what would be a better measure to look at? INCIDENCE! How many people were actually getting sick?!? And how did THAT number go down after vaccination? (Hint – A lot) 2) All the percentages of people vaccinated in various outbreaks of disease is the same problem that we have above –… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago

Lou, this paper was demonstrating that IN ADDITION to neutralizing antibodies, there are pathways to immunity that do not involve antibodies, and in fact lead to potential new ways to produce vaccines. There is no need to have a knee-jerk reaction denouncing decades of HONEST science.

3 years 7 months ago

Kathryn, oh yes there are! We have learned antibodies play a VERY SMALL role in disease prevention. The whole “science” of “vaccination” was developed and implemented on a FALSE premise. Not only are “vaccines” essentially worthless at preventing disease they are extremely TOXIC. Autism is but one horrible result.

Kathryn there is nothing honest about “vaccination”

http://coto2.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/vaccines-as-%E2%80%98cluster-bombs%E2%80%99/

Louis Sullivan
3 years 7 months ago

A very small role? Would you kindly take a high school level biology class? That study was referencing the immune response to one type of virus. There are other types of viruses, as well other pathogens out there. And antibodies definitely play an appreciable role.

Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
There is no link between autism and vaccination. I do not know how many times I need to say this, but well over 20 epidemiological studies have shown no link at all. A recent study actually shows the opposite, that in families with an older autistic child that decided to not vaccinate a younger child, that younger child’s risk of getting autism was higher! That tells me that there is no connection! http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23045216 And as having recently been in academic research looking for new vaccine targets on various bacteria, let me tell you with 100% certainty that antibodies mediate immunity.… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago
“There is no link between autism and vaccination.” Yes perhaps if we keep repeating this mantra we can forget that autism is DOUBLING about every 3.5 years. Yes perhaps if we keep repeating this mantra we can relax as ALL our children are sick and dying. “They won’t let us do the research; they don’t want to hear the research; and even if we do it no one sees it.” Autism Researcher “The MMR vaccine was not adequately tested and should not have been licensed.” Journal of Adverse Drug Reactions Jan 2000, Note how in heavens name are we supposed… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago
“And the people that make vaccines are not evil, they have kids too, and they want what’s best for everyone.” Well here is something on which we can agree. The evil that exists in “vaccination” is not in the good honest people implementing the evil policy. It is right up at the top. And these people I can assure you do not get “vaccinated” or let their kids get “vaccinated”. Of course I recall Jerry Ford getting his “flu shot” on national TV. We were later to learn that the “flu shot” caused thousands of times more damage than it… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
“Yes perhaps if we keep repeating this mantra we can forget that autism is DOUBLING about every 3.5 years.” I’m not arguing that autism isn’t increasing, I’m just saying that there is no connection to vaccination. In fact, autism rates WOULDN’T be doubling if it was linked to vaccination, it would have the same steady rate as vaccination. So there you go, not connected. I think there should be plenty of research into autism, and there is a lot going on already. Trust me, no one from the government is holding back research findings they don’t want revealed – it’s… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago
“I’m not arguing that autism isn’t increasing, I’m just saying that there is no connection to vaccination.” Kathryn we can try to deny the evidence and repeat the mantra but does this help? A scientist as yourself has an OBLIGATION to the helpless babies of America. Please open your eyes! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrIM2hwrLoc&feature=related&t=1m35s “I have not seen autism with the Amish. You’ll find all the other stuff, but we don’t find the autism. We’re right in the heart of Amish country and seeing none, and that’s just the way it is.” Doctor Frank Noonan Lancaster County, Pa. “The rate of autism in… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
Sorry, I’m not going to get my science from Robert Kennedy and Joe Scarborough. I have no idea what science Kennedy is thinking of, but there have been a multitude of studies that show zero connection between vaccines and autism or mercury and autism. If it was the mercury in the vaccines, shouldn’t we have seen a drop in autism cases? Mercury hasn’t been in vaccines in years! Why still the sudden increase? Basic epidemiology will tell you that if you remove the exposure and the outcome still occurs, then the exposure was not a necessary component – something else… Read more »
3 years 7 months ago
“So in short, your greatest evidence is not strong at all, and is in fact quite weak.” Kathryn can you tell me how monkey viruses have entered hundreds of millions of humans? Kathryn what do you know of SV-40? Please play fair madam. “The top UK government expert present at this conference, Dr Phil Minor of the National Institute of Biological Standards and Control, added that the polio vaccine had originally been so polluted that it’s doses contained as much monkey virus as poliovirus! I had no idea that so much monkey virus was in this vaccine given to hundreds… Read more »
Kathryn Kinzel
3 years 7 months ago
I’m sorry, I thought I was playing fair – I am taking your arguments and showing you where there are holes in your logic, and you are attempting to do the same. That sounds evenly matched, right? Regarding the SV40, there has not been enough evidence to show that its presence causes cancer. Some laboratories have picked up on it, and others have not. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/sv40 However, the FDA has mandated that polio vaccines be screened for SV40 and since the mandate in 1972, they have not detected anything. http://www.hhs.gov/asl/testify/t031113.html I believe this falls under a comment that I have made… Read more »
Louis Sullivan
3 years 7 months ago
That article presents several falsehoods about the purpose and function of vaccines in relation to our immune system. A vaccine is designed to be a “safe” infection (we can argue about safety later, but for now we’ll assume that it is safe). They contain dead pathogens or pieces of a pathogen. That way, the disease cannot actually make you sick and put your life in jeopardy. Since the inactivated pathogen is still foreign matter, the immune system mobilizes to attack it. Macrophages and T-cells attack it and bring antigens back to the B-cells, which produce antibodies which confer a level… Read more »
Paul Donovan
3 years 6 months ago

Thank you, Kathryn, for your reasoned responses and patience. It’s a thankless job to present facts to those whose ears are stopped.

D.J. Csaszar
3 years 5 months ago
I am a physician in PA. I wanted to comment on a few areas. Kathryn, great job providing high quality sources. People who had varicella (chicken pox) as a child still get Shingles. People who have had varicella vaccine can still get varicella. This is from several reasons. One they did not produce immunity. Two, they were exposed to the disease before immunity occurred. Three, the live attenuated vaccine can mutate and cause active disease. Immunosuppression may occur after vaccination, which can allow new infection with live, native varicella or reactivation. The circulating varicella vaccine can mutate. There are many… Read more »
Jessica van Garderen
3 years 2 months ago
Katherine, Thank you for all of your posts providing actual studies and for taking the time to read all the links people have provided , pointing out their flaws using science and reasoning. It has been very helpful. It can be confusing and time consuming to sort through all of the information out there. At first I was against vaccines, but I started to notice that most of the websites that were anti-vaccine were citing very old information, or when I took a closer look at the studies there were obvious flaws. I still had my doubts though, which is… Read more »
David Winiecki
2 years 4 months ago

I think the gist of the argument presented here (or a possible takeaway) is that the pertussis vaccine does not lower rates of pertussis or that it possibly even increases rates of pertussis.

I’m going to believe there is a lot of evidence to the contrary, like

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/02/vaccine-exemptions-states-pertussis-map

and

http://www.infection-research.de/news/view/detail/item-1/teen_vaccinations_lower_infant_pertussis_hospitalization_rate/

Also, citing incomplete data from *one* year (the 90% number) to make a claim about the effectiveness or safety of a vaccine is relatively unconvincing. Show me a multi-year study that claims the pertussis vaccine is worthless or increases rates of infection, and then you’ll keep my attention.

David Winiecki
2 years 4 months ago
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