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  1. Umm..if you got some chairs and filing cabinets during the Waterbury complex “tag sale”….we’re gonna need those back.

  2. Of course everyone knew this would happen. Thanks Govenor and to your administration for lying to the legislature and the people of Vermont. VSH could have had 2 units opened months ago, but you and Comiisioner Clueless just got caught telling another lie. There could of been a safe place for Vermont’s most vulnerable to get help, but insyead you people decided to take it away with lies and numerous casualties have happened since. Along with people not being able to get the treatment that they need and deserve. Also now you are going to break the bank on the taxpayers of Vermont with your lied about plan and the most vulnerable will continue to suffer as this is going to be more than a 3 year project now.

  3. No “state of the art” mental hospital with views. No private sector profit from disaster. All to be constructed on seven acres when there could of been twenty seven. Oh what a plan by sociopathic leaders.

  4. Wait until the feds renege on all of the healthcare and medical reimbursements Governor Shumlin is counting on for his ambitious health care plan.

  5. Well here is the perfect opportunity for Gov. Shumlin and the rest of the GOP to break the NO NEW taxes pledge!!!! Raise revenue and Go lobby Congress for a bailout!!!!

  6. The Governor pressured the legislature to approve his plan to build a new state hospital and rebuilding the Waterbury complex. Thanks to this railroad job the Shumlin administration pulled off, the state has spent $88 million on the projects that may not be reimbursed in full or at all by FEMA. Shumlin should have spent the last year focusing on getting the state hospital and the state offices functional now instead of 3 years from now. A sensible person would find out how much money they have for the projects before spending money to get them started. Now we have paid $88 million to design buildings that we probably won’t be able to afford to build, we have a broken mental heath system and many state workers traveling all over the state to go to work. My daughter was a nurse at the State Hospital, until she got layed off. She told me that 4 of her ex patients have met untimely deaths since the flood. In the 5 years she worked at the hospital before the flood, none of her patients died unexpectedly. Thanks to the cloak of silence that the mental health department operates under, she is not privy to this information. She learned of the deaths by seeing their obituary in the paper,hearing it on the news or through the grapevine. There could be more as far as she knows. Shumlin needs to get his act together before more untreated mental health patients die and he bankrupts the state.

    1. This “cloak of silence” is a federal medical information privacy law: The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA). That law was enatced to protect the privacy of personal health information, and sets limits and conditions on the uses and disclosures of that information without patient authorization.

  7. “But when new FEMA officials began working with state officials last month, …” (above story)

    Did anyone inquire as to why the FEMA team was changed? Did it have anything to do with the promised funding levels?

  8. Another state hospital would not be needed if the mental health system would give up on the folly of involuntary treatment.

    The Ethan Allen Institute put out a report in 2007 that would be agood model to follow. This report concluded:

    The operative policy for Vermont’s seriously mentally ill population ought not be removal from society, but recovery in community. Vermont’s mental health system should be centered on community-based services, not built around a centralized psychiatric facility.
    • The Department of Mental Health should abandon its relentless quest for the construction of new high-cost state-owned mini-VSH facilities, whether in Waterbury, the FAHC Burlington campus, or elsewhere.
    • The DMH and designated agencies should welcome new private providers of services, such as residential recovery housing (Fairweather Lodges), and faith-based and peer-run drop-in centers. Every temptation to secure a monopoly, so damaging to the interests of consumers, must be stoutly resisted.
    • Community hospitals must evolve to holistically address the physical and mental health of the people in their communities, and address the issue of forced medication as a serious question of medical ethics.
    • Designated agencies should employ peers and give them authority to serve creatively, not simply direct new workers to provide old models of care. Providers should seek compassionate staff members who like people and are not looking for opportunities or evidence to punish clients.
    • Building an enormously expensive new replacement facility for VSH, at the urging of a state bureaucracy and its employee union allies, over the objections of the Public Oversight Commission and most advocates for the mentally ill, will create a large and unnecessary burden for a generation of Vermont taxpayers, while offering inadequate recovery services for Vermonters with mental illness. It is not sound public policy.

  9. Not sure where Mr. Sinclair comes up with his $88 million spent figure, but the information I have indicates those figures are way out of line.

    Here is the information released at the day-long FEMA fest.
    - Legislature authorized $5 million for planning and design etc. of new Berlin state hospital facility. This process is under way.
    – Rutland’s 6 beds and Brattleboro’s 14 beds are roughly $5.3 million each. Both facilities progressing at this time.
    – Construction of the new Berlin 24-bed facility is expected to be $28.5 million. None of this is allocated or spent yet. This may be revisited in case FEMA fails to come through.
    This is significantly less money. IN any case, the Legislature’s arm was hardly twisted on this. They took excrutiatingly extensive testimony, from ALL sides, and backed the community mental health treatment concept, adopting peer involvement and much better emergency interventions and treatment facilities to prevent folks ending up in acute care. That said, there was overwhelming testimony that there remains a strong need for acute mental health care in modern treatment facilities.
    The state would need this no matter what as a result of Irene. Whether FEMA comes through or not is a separate issue.

    1. Andrew:

      The $88 Million figure you referred to was within David Dempsey’s comment, not Curtis Sinclair’s comment.

  10. The $88 million figure was not mine. But building no new VSH or a smaller 16 bed VSH would certainly cost less than the proposed 25 bed hospital. Those options should still be on the table.

    The overwhelming testimony about the need for a new version of the same old Vermont State Hospital came from people with vested interests in the status quo, NOT those who have been incarcerated in VSH. Has anyone noticed how hard the state employees union pushed for a bigger hospital? Does anyone seriously think that VSEA has patient’s mental health in mind? All they care about is holding on to more union jobs.

    VSH has been and will continue to be used for involuntary “treatment”. It does not help anyone’s mental health to be forcibly locked up and forcibly drugged. Every time someone is locked up in an institution against their will it is due to a failure of the mental health system. Ideally psychiatric hospitalization will become a thing of the past. The use of mental hospitals to incarcerate people defined as insane also violates the general assumptions of patient- and doctor-relationships. That turns the doctor into a warden and a keeper of a prison. No one should be deprived of liberty unless he is found guilty of a criminal offense. People sometimes are afraid to get help because they are afraid of being put into such involuntary “treatment”.

    1. Mr Sinclair,

      As somebody who worked in the old facility, I know first hand that there are very few people being drugged and ‘incarcerated’ involuntarily. The overwhelming majority of the people in that situation were there because of violent crime. Not exactly the people you want in the streets or in the prison system. Many others are there completely voluntarily. Please, don’t go off on a rant about the state of Vermont’s mental health hospitals when you are clueless as to how they are being run. Believe it or not, it’s not a prison; it’s a hospital for people to go so they don’t fall through the cracks of society.

      How is the new plan anything like the status quo? The new facilities are smaller than the Waterbury complex. They are spread out in the state to allow for friends and family to visit more often. It’s more personalized and less institutional. Those are all good things for society and the patients.

  11. Once again we have someone who WORKED at VSH defending it. I have yet to see a patient defend the kind of work VSH did. I am very familiar with what went on at VSH, having been incarcerated there for over two years and having worked in food service there for over a decade. I am far from clueless about VSH and the damaging effects of involuntary hospitalization.

    Almost all the patients (inmates is a better word) at VSH were there involuntarily. No one would volunteer for the kind of treatment they received there. Very few patients were accused of serious crimes. Most were disorderly conducts or other misdemeanors like me. One man was there for 8 months for hitchhiking on the interstate. Another was there for locking himself naked outside his motel room. One was there for throwing a brick through a window. Another for stealing a carton of cigarettes. One woman was there not on any charge, but simply because she was arguing with her doctors at Fletcher Allen. They found a psychiatrist who said she had oppositional defiance disorder and had her locked up at VSH for over 6 months. Most druggings were coerced if not forced. When faced with the threat of a court hearing that the psychiatrists would probably win followed by what the staff called the “silver bullet” – a forced injection – most patients “voluntarily” took the drugs that have terrible, often debilitating side effects.

    The new plan is too much like the status quo in that there are still the same number of “acute care” beds that will be used for involuntary “treatment”. VSEA pushed for an even bigger VSH than the one that was shut down.

  12. Mr.Sinclair
    I do know of a few patients that went to the state house
    and testified for VSH and they spoke very highly of the HOSPITAL and the STAFF

  13. There were very few patients who spoke in favor of VSH -of all the hundreds who have had their civil rights violated in that institution. The US Department of Justice found that VSH had been violating patients rights for decades when it finally cracked down on VSH. Sentiment from former patients was seen in press reports such as this one:

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/vermont-struggles-rebuild-mental-health-system
    Xenia Williams, a former Waterbury patient who went on to help to care for patients for Washington County Mental Health services, said she recently attended a meeting with five displaced patients.

    “All five of them were extremely outspoken about how glad they were to be out of VSH and what a horrible place it was,” she said. “The few I’ve talked to who are sorry it’s no longer available are people who appear to have real problems with self-esteem. They’ve bought the idea that they’re some sort of inferior person who doesn’t deserve to be treated well.”

    A Scandinavian study showed the unfavorable psychological treatment outcomes of involuntary treatment (Kaltiala-Reino, Laippala, & Salokangas, 1997). The authors conclude that “coercive treatment arouses negative feelings in the patient, creates negative expectations about the outcome of treatment, and fails to result in a trusting relationship between the patient and the professionals.”

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