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  1. Perhaps in the interest of smaller government we should try to pressure our President to get rid of the NRC. What sort of useful work does the NRC do anyway?

  2. Once the “assets”: a decrepit power plant AT THE END OF ITS DESIGNED LIFE with radioactively contaminated turbine and piping, a swimming pool of indisposable radioactive waste the equivalent of more than 20,000 Hiroshima bombs, a legacy of soil and groundwater contamination, and an enormous decommissioning and clean-up bill (nearly $1 billion, est., with known site contamination) are accounted for by an INDEPENDENT investigation, it will be seen that it is far cheaper for the state to take and close VT Yankee than to allow it to double it’s toxic waste stockpile, continue it’s poison manufacturing and spewing operation (which believe me Entergy has no intention of sticking around to clean up and guard for millennia, and no NRC employee has ever had to get their hands dirty helping to remediate). Judge Murdtha’s decision only buys them more time to get out from under this mess and stick it to the taxpayers.

    1. Indeed, the fair market value of the “Vermont Yankee” plant is less than zero.

      Eminent domain would be cheap and trivial for Vermont, apart from legal fees.

  3. To be blunt, this is a lousy idea. The State of Vermont would be buying –even for $1 — a potential liability in the billions of dollars. Why would we want to do that? Shoreham was a brand new, minimally contaminated plant. VY is a 40-year hunkajunk at the end of its useful life with boatloads of spent fuel and decommissioning waste. Entergy would like nothing better than to unload it, which they’ve already tried to do in the Enexus deal.

    This game is far from over, however, and there are a plethora of better strategies left on the table.

  4. Only problem with this idea is that when the state condemns property it must pay the owner the market value. The market value of VY with a 20 year license extension is about a bazillion dollars.

  5. That’s a common misconception. When taking property by eminent domain the evaluation sensibly includes its assets AND the liabilities. The cleanup is definitely a liability, and it is counted AGAINST the owner. Entergy might even end up owing money to the state. See EMDOVY resolution.

  6. Sally,
    Hundreds of power plants in the US have 40-year licenses to operate. The 40-year period has nothing to do with the “design life”. It relates to the period of the license to operate. It is an arbitrary number. Google it and you will find out.
    Almost all power plants are designed based on very conservative assumptions and with much redundancy.
    How do I know this? I have designed them for about 30 years, including an 1,800 MW coal plant consisting of three 600 MW boilers on a 1,000 acre site.
    The plants usually perform at near-rated output for 60, 70 years, or more. Many plants are doing it.
    Power plants are constantly being refurbished. Almost all plants have an annual 3-4 week shutdown period for major maintenance.
    Hundreds of outside contractors coordinate their work so the plant can go on line again. The utility plans for such a shut down for 11 months to make sure all goes as planned.
    VY is no different. It operates at near-rated output for 500 days, shuts down for 4 weeks to refuel AND PERFORM MAJOR MAINTENANCE (more than 1,000 outside contractors were busy on the site) and runs again at near-rated output for 500 days.
    Only plants that are highly reliable can do this. The US nuclear industry has a capacity factor of 0.90 (VY 0.92), higher than all nations.

  7. Oh good. Condemn VY, shut it down, and pay ourselves and obtain to clean up the plant. That liability includes the unknown costs due to leaks from underground pipes that “surfaced” in recent years. Right. Great idea.

  8. The tax department measures asset value just the way Entergy does: capacity to generate revenue minus amortized costs. In this case, “costs” are defined as something actually paid, like the price of fuel, workers’ compensation, and of course, taxes. They tax what is actually happening, not what ought to be.

    From the standpoint of environmental concern, costs include a large item Entergy does not pay: decommissioning and clean up of contamination. From the standpoint of John Q. Vermonter, the cost of the latter far exceeds the value of the aggregate electricity produced at any conceivable price; hence the declaration of a value “less than zero.”

    From either viewpoint, given Entergy’s amoral behaviour, and truth-challenged modus operandi, I say tax them any way possible. We have to pay for the effects of their pernicious corruption and lies somehow. Why should Vermonters be stuck with that?

  9. In the abstract, it would be nice to have Vermont Yankee shut down in March and promptly decommissioned by Entergy. The devil, as usual, is in some overwhelming details.
    Let us suppose Entergy bows to the might of the State of Vermont and sells it for $1, like Lilco. The two situations are totally different, but it’s an interesting starting point. But the state also buys the responsibility for decommisioning. Whether it could buy the decommissioning fund for that same dollar is not very likely, and it’s far too small anyway – especially for an immediate start. So the people of Vermont have bought a probably billion dollar liability, AND have made it a political issue. Will Chittenden County wish to pay significantly higher taxes or utility rates to decommision a plant 150 miles away? The northern counties have become a substantial part of the legislature. I don’t see how Vermont can afford to buy Yankee, whatever the price.
    In 1946 Congress clearly foresaw that people would be afraid of nuclear power, despite the “electricity too cheap to meter” fantasy of the time. So they pre-empted state jurisdiction over nukes to keep the neighbors from persuading state governments to block new plants. They probably thought the preemption was total, but the Supreme Court later found their work wanting and allowed California to stop construction of a nuclear power plant because it would cost too much (and there was no way to estimate the cost of disposal of spent fuel). Perhaps that would have been an avenue worth exploring – but it doesn’t do much good if Yankee isn’t selling power to Vermont. Our power companies, lacking contracts with Entergy and having to expect Yankee would close, have made alternate arrangements. So the cost of Yankee – such as decommisioning and spent fuel disposal – would have no direct effect on Vermont utility rates.

  10. This is not a workable solution. Greg does not explain that the state authority, LIPA, assumed LILCO’s multi billion dollar debt for Shoreham so the citizens of Long Island have been paying for a nuke that never operated and thus LIPA to this day has one of the highest electric rates in the country given that the customers had to pay the costs of the Shoreham mistake. Vermont purchasing Yankee through eminent domain would be a very bad idea.

  11. Kevin,
    That’s a common misconception. When taking property by eminent domain, the evaluation sensibly includes its assets AND the liabilities. The cleanup is definitely a liability, and it is counted AGAINST the owner. Entergy might even end up owing money to the state. See EMDOVY resolution. It is also important to know that the eminent domain deal that Liss worked out through the LIPA did not go through. According to Mr. Liss, who spoke with me last week, the governor intervened at the last moment and offered a deal worth approximately 40 times what was about to be approved under the threat of eminent domain. Even so, it prevented the construction of a slew of nukes on Long Island.

  12. Let me expand on the Shoreham “solution” just a little bit:

    Three years before that famous “dollar” changed hands (in 1992, not 1989), Shoreham was still a clean, unused plant, never having been fired up. Under the terms of the deal between NYS, LILCO and LIPA, the plant was allowed to run at 5% for a little less than 24 hours. The $6 billion cost of construction, shutdown, decommissioning and cleanup was then off-loaded to Long Island ratepayers (rather than borne by LILCO shareholders) through a surcharge on use, to be paid over a period of thirty years. Making the last payment due sometime in 2019, for a nuclear plant that never produced a single megawatt of commercial power.

    Today, LIPA (the public authority with which NYS acquired LILCO by eminent domain) does not own any electric generation assets on Long Island. National Grid USA (UK), maintains LIPA’s transmission and distribution system under a management services agreement. In 2014, that agreement terminates and Public Service Enterprise of NJ (acquired by Excelon of Chicago/Phila in 2005) takes over.

    A cautionary tale.

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