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  1. While they might keep costs low for a time, free markets only drive costs up and those that are priced out are left out. I agree with Peter Sterling on this one; we need the single-payer enacted sooner rather than later.

    1. Government interference in most ventures decreases quality and raises costs. Post office, education, Amtrak, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, cash for clunkers…shall we continue?

    2. Regarding: “While they might keep costs low for a time, free markets only drive costs up…”

      … Would love an example to back this up. Here is mine:

      None of what’s being addressed deals with the issue at the heart of our healthcare’s economy. Healthcare is one of the only markets where there the economic incentives that drive the rest of the world economy are reversed. For the average healthcare consumer, they pay their premium and the more they consume the lower their cost per visit.

      An example in it’s most basic form: premium = $500, co-pay = $50

      - November visit one: premium cost + co-pay = $550 for visit
      - November visit two: co-pay + previous payments = $600
      - November visit three: co-pay + previous payments = $650

      Here the cost for one visit to the doctors is $550/visit whereas two visits cost $300/visit and the cost for three visits drops to $217. We see the same trend if you stretch it out over the period of a fiscal year. Anyone see the incentive to consume frugally? Further yet, anyone see an incentive to shop around for a doctor who is running a business like the rest of the economic world, offering the best value for the best price?

      Competition (in a free (privatized) market)combined with incentives for consumers to consume frugally would only create the same affect we see when buying anything else: more affordable services.

  2. I agree with Walter that free markets will keep costs down for a while, and let it go up for a while too.

    However, I’m not sure what system when and where in the world could be denoted as free health care market. Huge regulations, and various limits have been in place so long…

  3. The exchanges were added to the Affordable Care Act to satisfy the insurance industry that opposed the single payer concept.

    In basic form, most advocated by the insurance industry, they just provide a data clearing house which might make it easier for some one to find out about health insurance and it cost and buy it if they can afford it.

    In it’s best form, as seen in Switzerland and Germany the government mandate a base level of insurance which must be provided. The insurance companies compete on price and quality of service to provide this insurance. There is also optional enhance level of care insurance for those who can afford it.

    All of these exchange system have higher marketing, sales, profit and administrative costs build in as compared to the overhead costs of a true single payer system. So cost wise it is less than fully efficient.

  4. Regarding:

    “Gaydos is worried the state will limit this number to two and eliminate the free-market forces that would drive down costs.”

    Mr. Gaydos was on the panel for the healthcare forum in Ludlow last week Thursday (10/20). At one point, he briefly explained the history of how the U.S. got into the situation of employer-sponsored healthcare, due to wage freezes after WWII. Mr. Gaydos rightly pointed out that the U.S. has never really had a truly “free market” healthcare system.

    So there could be a “free market forces” aspect to healthcare, but there never was a true free market system in the first place, and the same remains today. It is an “ideal” for some (ideology), that has never ever existed in completely in the healthcare system.

    For those folks like myself, who have employer-sponsored ERISA plans through private insurance companies, there is not really a “free market”. The employer chooses the health insurance company for the employees, and it is subject to change year to year. Each insurance company has their own “preferred provider” list. So one year your doctor could be preferred (better insurance coverage), and the next year they are NOT on the preferred list (less insurance coverage). One benefit of a single payer is that doctors won’t be going on and off a preferred list, just because your employer switched insurance companies.

  5. “Lunge said the state is considering including state employees in the portal…”

    The state employee’s self insured health plan has low premium increases and most years there are premium holidays. This is because in 2001 when Howard Dean was Governor he reached out to the VSEA and together, the union and the state redesigned the health plans. I was there, it was a collaberative process with mutual respect and professional leadership from Buck Consultants. Premiums increases went down dramatically as a result.

    If there is a premium holiday this year the 2011 increase will be 2.9% with a possible 3.5% increase next year. The average age of state employees is 47 plus, the plan covers older retired state workers. This makes the small increases even more remarkable compared to other similar plans.

    The plan is not broken.

  6. As a health care provider watching the struggles of working patients to pay co-pays and huge deductibles in addition to Health Insurance monthly costs, I see that by and large low-income wage earners are better off financially with no insurance. I also volunteer time at the Good Neighbor Health Center and, sad to say, those folks have made the right decision. They get excellent care at Good Neighbor, are even referred to specialists when necessary.

    The present health insurance system serves no one but the for-profit insurance companies whose primary mission is not providing health care, but rather the mission is to make huge profits si they can pay very high administrative salaries and stockholders.

    We must forge ahead supporting the process of getting Vermont to a single payer health system, provide wellness care and find a way to help people stay healthier. Perhaps instead of rewarding health providers to keep people healthy (ACO’s), we should reward people for making good health choices and engaging in preventive wellness care.

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