Editor’s note: This story first appeared in The Commons.
BRATTLEBORO—The state rested its case after two days of testimony in the Entergy v. Vermont trial in U.S. District Court on Tuesday, a case that could decide the fate of the Vermont Yankee nuclear power plant in Vernon.
The state’s primary witness, Peter Bradford, stood his ground on the state’s role in regulating nuclear plants in areas other than radiological safety under heavy cross examination late in the day.
Bradford, a former U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission member who later chaired a state legislative oversight panel examining Vermont Yankee’s operation, is currently vice-chair of the Union of Concerned Scientists. He also teaches at Vermont Law School.
According to Bradford, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has never held the point of view that states have no role to play in regulating nuclear plants.
Bradford added that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and states’ roles sometimes “overlapped.”
“Well-run plants from a safety standpoint will be reliable,” he said.
States, he said, have many roles, such as certifying the need for a nuclear plant. They have financial responsibilities to ensure the plant does not become “unduly expensive,” and they have jurisdiction over water discharge permits and land use.
“The idea that the two communities growl at each other across a white line” is not a “sensible” description of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and state’s relationship, Bradford said.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission extended the operating license for the 39-year-old nuclear reactor for an additional 20 years in March. Vermont, however, requires nuclear plants to obtain a Certificate of Public Good from the Public Service Board to operate. In February 2010, the Vermont Senate voted 26-4 to scuttle Entergy’s chances of obtaining a certificate. The Senate, led by then Senate President Pro Tem Peter Shumlin, who is now governor and a named party in the lawsuit, cited its authority under Act 160, a 2006 law that effectively gives the Legislature veto power over the continued operation of the plant. Without a new CPG, says the state, the Vernon plant must close when its current 40-year operating license expires in March 2012.
Entergy Corp., owner of Vermont’s only nuclear plant, filed suit against the state in April, claiming legislators had pre-empted the federal government’s authority by trying to regulate radiological safety.
Entergy attorney Faith Gay questioned Bradford on whether his use of the word “legitimate” in his testimony was a “code word” for pre-emption.
Bradford repeatedly said, “No.”
Gay also asked Bradford if he agreed that states can’t use other concerns like reliability as a pretext for radiological safety.
“Yes or no,” she said.
Gay pointed out that in his deposition, Bradford had said he would advise legislators, “Don’t do it.”
Bradford said he agreed that states shouldn’t resort to such a pretext, but he pointed out that in the 1982 Pacific Gas & Electric v. California case, the U.S. Supreme Court said the court had to look toward California’s “legitimate interests” even if the process began in the arena of radiological safety.
“Your question is like asking me, ‘Can rich people rob banks?’” said Bradford to Gay. “Sure, in theory, rich people can rob banks. But why would they?”
Gay asked what Bradford would say if the state uses other language for a pretext for radiological safety “over and over.”
“I can’t answer [your] question, because the state isn’t a person,” Bradford responded.
Bradford explained that he had served on multiple panels in his career where members enter with specific agendas that change through discussion and process.
He added the legislative process doesn’t reflect “bad faith,” but “consensus.”
“Pre-emptive input and unpre-emptive output” means the process worked, Bradford said.
A case for a vote
Earlier Tuesday, House Speaker Shap Smith took the stand to talk about why the Vermont Legislature did not support giving the plant a CPG.
The Vermont House has not taken a vote on Vermont Yankee’s fate.
Smith said that he believed a vote by his chamber would be superfluous and would not change the Senate’s decision. At the same time, Smith said that he did not believe the House had enough information at the time to take a vote.
Smith said that Entergy made the case to him that a proposed power purchase agreement by Entergy would provide an economic benefit to the state, but the company did not provide the details on the agreement before the Senate voted.
Jay Thayer, former vice president of operations at Vermont Yankee also testified on Tuesday.
Thayer is still employed by Entergy, but he was reassigned to another post in 2010 following revelations that tritiated water was leaking from underground pipes that Thayer and other company officials said did not exist in testimony to the PSB.
Thayer said that he wrote to state lawmakers nearly three years ago regarding the state’s role in relicensing Vermont Yankee. He said the letter acknowledged that Entergy needed the state’s blessing to keep operating past 2012.
He also said lawmakers brought up the question of legal action over pre-emption before Entergy did.
On the stand, Thayer named Rep. Sarah Edwards, P/D-Brattleboro, as one of the legislators who queried him on when Entergy planned to file a pre-emption suit.
Edwards was in the courthouse audience. In a separate interview, she said she planned to check the legislative record.
“I do not recall asking about pre-emption,” she said.
This case is really about honoring commitments.”
- Assistant Attorney General Scott Kline
Audience member Ray Shadis, technical adviser to the anti-nuclear New England Coalition, disagreed with Thayer’s recollection, saying Entergy brought up the issue of pre-emption as early as 2005. Shadis characterized Entergy’s usage of pre-emption as a “threat,” saying the company may just have to take the state to court. According to Shadis, legislators in turn asked Entergy representatives, “so when?”
The curtain rises …
Opening arguments from the state and from Entergy attorneys on Monday morning focused on the central point of contention in the lawsuit – whether federal authority pre-empts state law.
Sullivan stressed the preemption angle in her presentation, calling the state’s concerns about reliability and economic impacts “pretexts for nuclear safety.”
Assistant Attorney General Scot Kline, who is leading the state’s legal team, contended that the case is really about whether Entergy will live up to the agreements it made with the state when it purchased Vermont Yankee in 2002 — mainly, not to challenge the Vermont’s authority regarding non-safety issues at the plant.
“This case is really about honoring commitments,” he said.
After opening arguments, Judge J. Garvan Murtha heard from two of Entergy’s witnesses.
One of the witnesses, Vice President for Power Marketing Marc Potkin, said the state expected Vermont Yankee to offer a favorable price for electricity to Vermont’s utilities as a condition of getting a certificate of public good.
Potkin said he based this statement on conversations he had with representatives from electric companies Green Mountain Power and Central Vermont Public Service.
Potkin said that the 2010 Senate vote influenced the power-purchase agreement talks. He also said that the electric utilities wouldn’t sign an agreement until Entergy sold the plant.
President, CEO, and Chief Nuclear Officer John Herron also took the stand, and late in the day, the state introduced a video deposition with Entergy Executive Vice President Curtis L. Hébert.
In the video, Hebert responded to questions about why the company tasked him with repairing relations between Vermont and Vermont Yankee.
“[There was] such a distrust for Entergy that we were trying to turn around,” Hébert said.
In an e-mail to Entergy CEO J. Wayne Leonard, Hébert outlined the actions on the part of Entergy that had had a “corrosive effect” in Vermont.
Hébert informed Leonard of some of what he characterized as the reasons for Vermonters’ growing mistrust of Entergy: the January tritium leak, questions about the credibility of Vermont Yankee officials in Public Service Board testimony on tritium, a “deep mistrust” of Vermonters for the company’s proposed Enexus spinoff, and the need for a purchase power agreement.
In the same e-mail, Hébert listed “rebuild confidence with stakeholders” as the No. 1 strategy for repairing the strained relationship.
Monday’s proceedings ended with testimony from one of the state’s witnesses, Bill Steinhurst, who has been involved with Vermont energy policy for more than two decades.
After the day’s proceedings, Vermont Attorney General William Sorrell said both parties had worked hard during the discovery process to put together their arguments.
“No real surprises today,” he said.
Sorrell also said he felt the state had “scored points” with Hébert’s testimony because it pointed to the fact that Vermont was not concerned about radiological safety.
Instead, he said, Hébert helped show that Vermont had concerns around the plant’s management and company’s trustworthiness.
“Not one thing [was said] about safety,” said Sorrell.
Lawyers in the audience
Cheryl Hanna, a professor of law at Vermont Law School, illuminated one of the keys to Entergy’s argument.
According to Hanna, the state of Vermont can’t claim that economic reliability is an issue, because Vermont Yankee is a merchant plant. The economic risks associated with merchant plants fall on the company and shareholders – not Vermont ratepayers.
In Vermont Law School’s Entergy v. Vermont blog, Hanna wrote on Tuesday about how Judge J. Garvan Murtha might rule on the case.
“One scenario — and I am just speculating now — is that the Judge simply splits the difference, finding that safety was among some other plausible reason for refusing to issue a Certificate of Public Good,” wrote Hanna.
“That would leave the state in a mixed motive position, having regulated for both permissible and impermissible reasons. That outcome seems increasingly plausible, given the testimony from both yesterday and today,” she continued.
Hanna also pointed out that lead Entergy attorney Kathleen Sullivan has argued that with mixed motive cases, the “burden is on the state to prove that it would have done the exact same thing had it not taken the impermissible [radiological safety] reason into account.”
“What is key to this argument is that often the party who bears the burden loses,” wrote Hanna.
Hanna noted that Sullivan has pulled from constitutional law to make her argument.
“Sullivan is essentially arguing that concerns over state infringement of pre-empted federal law are the equivalent of the state establishing religion or discriminating on the basis of race,” she wrote.
Dueling vigils
Before proceedings began on Monday morning, there were dueling vigils in support of, as well as opposition to, keeping Vermont Yankee open another 20 years.
Representatives from the Ethan Allen Institute’s Energy Education Project, the American Nuclear Society Vermont Pilot Project and the Coalition for Energy Solutions organized a pro-VY vigil, while the Safe and Green Campaign sponsored what they called “a vigil to support the state of Vermont” in its legal fight against Entergy.
































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It seems to me if what I have been reading regards this trial is at all accurate then Louisiana Entergy’s argument was reduced to “No matter what the legislators say to the opposite, they were really voting on safety … nyeah, nyeah, nyeah.”
Am I missing something?
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/13/vermont-yankee-nuclear-plant-trial_n_960283.html
The former VP of Entergy said that the State of Vermont has a right to license or not VY.
Now the corporation wants to change things to keep them running past their March 2012 closing date.
Sorry but you can’t change opinions just out of GREED which is the way I see it.
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Mr. Schneider, exactly why do you call Entergy, “Louisiana Entergy”? That is not the company’s name. Do you check with Gov. Shumlin’s office daily before you post your comments on this blog?
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Had Ms. Hanna been able to sit through all three days of the trial she might have come away with a much different opinion (but maybe not).
Bridget Asay, ass’t AG, closed the issue of legislative intent by saying, “Your honor, if you want to know legislative intent you need only read the written law(s) that passed”.
What Ms. Sullivan attempted to do was to use quotes from a handful of legislators and a lot of witnesses and others who were not legislators, to say that safety was the driving motive behind three separately elected legislatures. She tried to convince the judge that there was some sort of conspiracy over a six year period of time.
Her arguments were undermind by their own, former employee, Curt Hebert, who actually told the truth. The issue for the legislature was not safety, but that Entergy lied to us and thus going forward was suspect as a reliable partner.
Sullivan attempted to shift the burden onto the state, but that won’t work. It is impossible to determine the collective motive behind a legislative initiative. It may be that certain individual legislators have concerns, but who knows what 180, plus the governor, are thinking at any given time. To Asay hit the nail on the head.
In her closing Kathleen Sullivan desparately tried to address the issue of Entergy breaking its committments and its poor conduct. She tried to convince the judge that Entergy never really had the right to waive its right to preemption saying, “the notion that we somehow waived our rights to preemption and acquiesced does not constitute overruling federal law”.
It was not a notion. Entergy signed a legally binding contract, an M.O.U., stating that it would not seek preemption.
Here’s what we’ve learned about Entergy over the past three days. They will agree to anything. They will sign contracts of law and make promises. They will pledge to be a good company; they will do anything as long as it suits them. When things don’t go their way, they will renege on each and every committment they make.
Their word is not worth the paper on which it is printed. This is why the Senate vote was 26-4. It had nothing to do with safety, as Ms. Sullivan tried so hard to make us believe.
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You say Entergy’s lawyer tried to convince the court that safety was secretly or not-so-secretly the driving force behind the state senate vote last year not to allow the Public Service Board to proceed with VY’s relicensing application?
News flash: IT WAS. The evidence clearly shows that it was. The evidence included conversations in which legislators talked about how their concern was safety, and then were told by legislative handlers not to use the word “safety.”
You say, “The issue for the legislature was not safety, but that Entergy lied to us and thus going forward was suspect as a reliable partner.” First of all, since you are not a legislator yourself, that’s just your opinion. Second, VY’s being a “reliable partner” is totally irrelevant, since VY is not selling ANY of its elelectricity to any Vermont utilities. (Gov. Shumlin’s hostility to VY helped make sure that no power contracts were signed by any Vt. utilities).
You say, “It may be that certain individual legislators have concerns [about safety], but who knows what 180, plus the governor, are thinking at any given time.” It’s not 180. It’s only 30 who voted. And their motivation does matter. If they were secretly voting on safety concerns, they voliated federal law.
You say, “Entergy signed a legally binding contract, an M.O.U., stating that it would not seek preemption.” The state of Vermont has already changed that 2002 MOU itself. So, it’s only legally binding on VY but not on the state?
You say, “This is why the Senate vote was 26-4. It had nothing to do with safety, as Ms. Sullivan tried so hard to make us believe.” Wrong: it was 100% about safety.
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Mr Edd, it is about LIES. UNTRUTHS. Why did Entergy LIE about the underground pipes? That is an issue you so nimbly avoided.
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Untruths under oath are not safety issues the last time I consulted my legal dictionary. They are punishable by law. Can you claim ignorance of the law? Nuclear power plant owners who claim they do not know about underground pipes are as criminal as saying you didn’t know you had a gun in your pocket when you asked the cashier for all their money. Oh, you were just joking?
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Mr. Barnham, please try to stay on topic. Yes, we get it: you hate VY. Your loathing of VY is not the issue. You are not the decider of whether VY stays open or not, and your bizarre hatred of VY is irrelevant. The issue is whether the members of the state senate were focusing on nuclear safety when they voted not to allow the plant to continue operating. If they were, the vote violated federal law. Plain and simple.
Secondly, if you’re so convinced that the VY managers were intentionally lying about the underground pipes, why didn’t Bill Sorrell prosecute them? He said he didn’t have enough evidence that they were lying. You know more than the top Vt. law enforcement official who thoroughly investigated the issue (and who is no friend of VY)?
Lastly, if you’re going to drone on and on about VY lying, then I’ll point out that anyone who says that the Vermont senate’s vote wasn’t about safety, is also a liar.
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Mirror image Eddd, your love of VY has “no’ say either.
But when corporations lie whether accidentally or intentionally while running something like – oh I don’t know – a maybe a Nuclear Power Plant! that raises a few peoples pulses. Furthermore Edd, it would seem that the people representing that state might have lets say “serious issues” and would vote 26-4 in light of those issues.
I’m put off by big time super duper attorney constitutional lawyer delux with ribbons bells whistles in armor coating waltzing into Vermont without any past history.
Any corporation business who lies to the state should be asked plenty of questions and decisions voted on by different legislators should easily have “some” merit. don’t you think.
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It is chilling to note that the very limited knowledge we have of aging nuclear power plants indicates, along with other areas, that underground pipes are particularly problematic. Therefore logic would dictate that ongoing attention, inspection and repair of these underground pipes would be of paramount concern and constant vigilance. The denial of their very existence points to the fact that the Entergy management knew of the problem but had to be “caught” to get them to do the necessary repairs while in the meantime these pipes were leaking radioactive materials into our environment. Again, the plant is now structurally unsound and needs to be decommissioned on schedule based on it overcapacity operation of 20% putting VY in a class by itself. These are the issues that are public what about those that are not being made public or simply lied about.