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  1. Thanks Anne. A few quick comments.

    You said “Vermont’s Blue Ribbon Tax Commission report generally gets high marks outside the state because it continues to provide a level of progressivity (poor people pay less, the rich contribute more)…”

    I agree for the most part. However, the income tax recommendation would reduce progressivity. The commission recommended we reduce the aggregate “burden” on the 399 wealthiest Vermonters by $9.4 million for an average savings of $23,580. And the effective rates would increase for the middle class but go down for the wealthy. I’m struggling to understand why those who earn more than $1 million need a tax reduction.

    It appears the Commission intended (in part) to replace the lost income tax revenue with greater sales tax receipts (from taxing services, which I support). But the sales tax is regressive. Why should we give $9.4 million to the richest 399 Vermonters while we increase the burden of the sales tax?

    Note: It’s possible these recommendations represent efforts by the majority to meet the minority member in the middle. But since that individual eventually bolted and wrote a minority report, why should the majority stick with the compromise? Note that the minority recommended that we give the wealthiest Vermonters $17 million for an average savings of $43,000. Nice.

    The Tax Foundation’s Mr. Padgitt said “if the state lowers the top rate (down from) 9 percent, it would have an effect on business.”

    Baloney. They’ve been saying this for years (like the Chamber, AIV, and others). There is absolutely no evidence to support the assertion that state tax rates impede job growth.

    Overall, I think the commission did a good job and I’m disappointed that the Governor and the Legislature seem unwilling to tackle these issues.

  2. Bill Sayre is suggesting a novel approach to public policy: ““The commission encourages Vermonters to abandon the discussion of what wealthy Vermonters are doing based on their taxes,” the authors wrote. “Such speculation is murky and, even if it were not so, it is questionable and dangerous to design a tax code for fewer than 200 people.”

    On this point, Sayre disagreed. In his minority report, he said, “Vermonters should not be satisfied if anyone is leaving Vermont due to high taxes, and there is substantial anecdotal evidence that it happens frequently.””

    Applying his standard to ANY other domain shows just how ludicrous it is. Polls (and election results) tell us that the majority of Vermonters support gay marriage. But anecdotal evidence tells us that a few Vermonters left the State after the passage of the law. We should therefore outlaw gay marriage.

    Is there anyone who believes this is a sensible way to conduct public policy?

  3. The more I hear from Doug Hoffer, the more I think it’s a real shame he didn’t win the race for auditor⎯or even governor⎯but of course he didn’t run for the latter. We levy taxes to pay for infrastructure which benefits all. We levy taxes to support programs to benefit the needy, the unfortunate, and the feeble. We shape the tax code to protect the vulnerable from excessive tax burden. One tool we use to accomplish this is called an exemption. Tax code, which places the burden to pay on the shoulders of those who can afford it⎯and keeps it off those who cannot⎯is referred to as progressive. How did progressive tax code become the new evil? Besides a bunch of rich whiners, who is pushing for change in tax policy? We have a higher percentage of wealthy living in Vermont than in many other states. If the number of wealthy leaving the state is to be used as a barometer of tax code fairness, then I would suggest that high taxes aren’t driving them out fast enough.

  4. Anne – Thanks for the effort to bring the Tax Reform Commission’s work to center stage. I found the Commission’s report well done and absent of any agenda to raise, lower or keep the same Vermont’s tax burdens. It is a sensible and Vermont specific review of important structural issues in our tax system.
    Your review above does have one major flaw.
    After describing the Tax Foundation as “conservative”, you reference their analysis that Vermont’s tax burden ranks 8th highest among states. You then proceed with a lengthy critique of the “problem with the Tax Foundation’s….ranking” that discusses in depth Vermont’s marginal income tax rates and how these differ from effective income tax rates. You quote other analysts and observers in this regard without reference to their conservative, liberal or progressive leanings.
    The Tax Foundation’s analysis, however, is based on tax burdens – the amount collectively paid relative to income – and is thus structured to reflect effective tax burdens independent of the many marginal income tax rate structures among states. Further, the Tax Foundation analysis was not based on just income tax burdens, but on a broad array of taxes reported annually to the U.S.census including the sales tax, property tax, and corporate income tax burdens among others. Here is a link to the Tax Foundation’s analysis and methodology. http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/sr163.pdf The Tax Foundation found the overall tax burden in Vermont to be 10.3% of income, ranking us as noted at 8th highest among states.
    The Vermont’s Tax Reform Commission also independently presented an analysis of tax burdens on page 24 of their report which you did not reference. The Commission’s focus was only on the income, property, and sales tax (all of which are included in the Tax Foundation analysis) and found Vermont’s tax burden relative to income to be between 8% and 10% depending upon income. Given the Tax Reform Commission’s more limited scope relative to taxes analyzed, the tax burden findings of the Tax Foundation and those of Vermont’s Tax Reform Commission are not demonstrably incompatible.
    Also, some other data points are helpful to appreciate Vermont’s relative tax burden such as these:

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/ranks/rank33.html

    http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2011/ranks/rank29.html

    http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_state/2010/pdf/gsp1110.pdf

    Vermont is clearly a middle-of-the-road state economically, with per capita income ranking at 24th, household income ranking 20th, and Gross State Product per capita ranking 37th. The ability of Vermonters to support government services is relatively constrained, a circumstance well understood by Governor Dean, Governor Douglas and most recently, Governor Shumlin.

    Finally, you mentioned only briefly the Tax Reform Commission’s profile of Vermont’s high income taxpayers located on pages 39 – 41 of their report. For the sake of ease, I’ve pasted the entire narrative below given the on-going discussions about higher taxes for Vermont’s wealthy. (Access to the referenced charts can be obtained by using the link to the full report above.) The further analysis of these high income returns reveals a very sizable portions are at or near 65 years of age. While further taxes on the rich may be the appropriate path at the national level, in Vermont it substantially leads to higher taxes on the savings of aging Vermonters – some wealthy but many not – who diligently nurtured an asset in preparation for their retirement. Further, given the changes in tax law in 2010 over the Governor’s veto, starting this calendar year even the elderly lose the 40% capital gains exemption on such assets.

    High-Income Earners Versus High-Income Events

    Next, the Commission examined the behavior of high income tax filers over time. Conventional wisdom holds that Vermont is dependent on a few high-income taxpayers and that we are at risk if they move out of state. While there is no doubt that Vermont is very fortunate to have some wealthy residents who choose to maintain their residence here and could move if they wished, what the analysis shows is that the number of taxpayers in the top income brackets is not a fixed population each year but rather, in most cases, event driven. Whether from the sale of investment property or a business, high income is often a one-time event.

    The Commission examined data that tracked high-income taxpayers in Vermont over a nine-year period. There were 3,926 Vermont taxpayers who had adjusted gross income (AGI) of $500,000 or more in any one year during 2000–2008. More than half of these taxpayers had high income in just one year; only 3.5 percent had an adjusted gross income of $500,000 or in all nine years.

    The natural question raised by this data is: Where do these taxpayers go in the tax system as their income dips below $500,000? The Commission examined 2007 as a representative tax year to determine the year-to-year volatility for high-income taxpayers.

    The following chart uses 2007 as the base year, when there were 1,656 taxpayers with income above $500,000, and then provides data on which income class those taxpayers were in the previous year and the following year. In 2008, for example, 101 of 2007’s high earners had dropped to an Adjusted Gross Income between $100,000 and $150,000; forty-nine had dropped to under $25,000 Adjusted Gross Income.

    High-income earners are not a solid block of consistent interests; rather, they comprise a patchwork of tax filers that may have high income one year and then return to a much lower bracket never to return to high-income status again.
    All the Commission can say is that the conventional wisdom is not supported by the data. Furthermore, the Commission encourages Vermonters to abandon the discussion of what wealthy Vermonters are doing based on their taxes. Such speculation is murky and, even if it were not so, it is questionable and dangerous to design a tax code for fewer than 200 people.

  5. Mr. Pelham is misrepresenting the facts on the ground.

    In support of the Tax Foundation’s misleading reports, he said that their “analysis…is based on tax burdens – the amount collectively paid relative to income – and is thus structured to reflect effective tax burdens independent of the many marginal income tax rate structures among states.”

    The Tax Foundation ranks states based on per capita tax “burden” (note how they don’t call it tax “obligation”). As was made very clear in Part 2 of the JFO Tax Study, per capita figures mask significant differences in the effective rates for people at different income levels. Ranking us 8th is just silly, as are all such aggregate rankings. We’re in the middle of the pack for almost all income classes. I’m a little surprised that Mr. Pelham would keep shilling for the Tax Foundation at this late date.

    He also said that “Vermont is clearly a middle-of-the-road state economically, with per capita income ranking at 24th, household income ranking 20th, and Gross State Product per capita ranking 37th. The ability of Vermonters to support government services is relatively constrained…”

    Actually, those three measures are not terribly useful as indicators of our ability to pay for government services. As with per capita tax “burden,” per capita income tells us nothing about the distribution of income. Likewise, household income is the median, which also tells us nothing about the capacity at the high end.

    And finally, Mr. Pelham said that “While further taxes on the rich may be the appropriate path at the national level, in Vermont it substantially leads to higher taxes on the savings of aging Vermonters – some wealthy but many not – who diligently nurtured an asset in preparation for their retirement. Further, given the changes in tax law in 2010 over the Governor’s veto, starting this calendar year even the elderly lose the 40% capital gains exemption on such assets.”

    Wow. Turn down those violins.
    1. If the taxes are only on the wealthy, then it won’t affect those who aren’t. In fact, according to the Tax Department, there were only 1,400 Vermonters over 65 who earned more than $200,000 in 2008; that’s less than 2% of all those over 65.
    2. The 40% capital gains exemption has only been around since 2003 so it’s not exactly a cherished tradition. Somehow we managed for the last 50 years without it (and only a handful of other states have anything like it AND it cost the state over $150 million in lost revenue in just five years; the vast majority going to the wealthiest among us).
    3. Long-term capital gains are taxed at a lower rate than regular income at the federal level.
    4. It is estimated by ITEP / PAI that the recent reauthorization of the Bush tax cuts will net the wealthiest Vermonters a $190 million savings (and that’s after years of already enjoying the Bush tax cuts).

    The arguments don’t seem to change, but neither do the facts.

  6. Well, so be it. I guess in Mr. Hoffer’s eyes I’m simply a silly shill because I dared reference statistical measures such as averages and medians published by the Tax Foundation, the U.S. Census and U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. Shameful for sure!

    But Mr. Hoffer cherry picks from my post. My discussion of tax burdens included not only references to the above simple averages and medians, but incorporated an explicit reference to the Tax Reform Commission’s analysis on page 24 profiling the distribution of tax burdens in Vermont by income group – a.k.a. “facts on the ground” maybe? I fully understand there are no statistical silver bullets that tell an entire story in one measure.

    Regarding taxing the wealthy and the Bush tax cuts, I’ve offered my opinion on that here http://vtdigger.org/2010/12/10/pelham-good-faith-negotiators-needed/ on Vt. Digger. Regrettably, President Obama and the Congress didn’t agree. However, here, on-the-ground in Vermont, it may be Mr. Hoffer’s desire to raise state taxes on the one-time retirement savings of the elderly to fuel Mr. Hoffer’s sense of “obligation” to himself and others, but that’s not my view. Even if someone is cashing in an apartment building, an auto body shop, a country store, whatever, that’s been nurtured over the years for a few hundred thousand, or even a million, to fund retirement, a safe investment in a five year Certificate of Deposit at the credit union only pays 2.4%. Even at a million dollars, a yield of $24,000 annually, plus social security, is likely not enough to include a golf membership in the retirement package. Besides, there is always the estate tax on the retirement savings of those who can truly fund a high end retirement.

    In Hoffer v. Dept. of Taxes Mr. Hoffer pursued his point of view all the way to the Vermont Supreme Court. At issue was whether or not he deserved a higher educational property tax prebate payment on a property co-owned with another. Mr. Hoffer lost his case, with the Court finding in one instance that “Petitioner’s so-called “irrebuttable” presumption is not irrebuttable.” One can read the case here: http://libraries.vermont.gov/sites/libraries/files/supct/177/2003-547eo.txt Mr. Hoffer pursues his beliefs with both passion and little doubt, but as the Supreme Court found, he can be totally wrong. Dismissing others and their points of view with pejoratives such as being a shill or silly doesn’t strengthen his case either.

    1. Mr. Pelham just can’t let it go.

      The fact that the Tax Foundation uses official government data does not prevent them from misusing it in order to mislead people. The measures used by the Tax Foundation have been refuted by both the Joint Fiscal Office and now the Blue Ribbon Tax Commission.

      For example, Mr. Pelham refers to “simple averages” as if that is enough to soothe a skeptic’s nerves. But as I pointed out, the average in question is per capita, which is quite simply the wrong measure for this task.

      As for tax burdens and the Tax Commission’s analysis on page 24, I fail to see how that helps his case. Page 24 includes a graph with data from ITEP (that I have referenced for years). It shows clearly that the top 5% of Vermont filers pay a lower percentage of income for all state and local taxes than the middle class.

      Moreover, and to Mr. Pelham’s point, this data does not show that “the tax burden findings of the Tax Foundation and those of Vermont’s Tax Reform Commission are not demonstrably incompatible.” Quite the contrary.

      The Tax Foundation said that Vermont’s “burden” was 10.3%. The ITEP data used by the Tax Commission showed a range from just over 8% to just under 10% depending on income. The Tax Foundation approach is a blunt instrument that ignores critical nuances in the data. In contrast, the ITEP approach shows quite clearly that a single number cannot fairly represent all Vermonters.

      The thought of raising taxes on the wealthy has moved Mr. Pelham to become a story teller instead of an analyst. He waxes eloquently about the “one-time retirement savings of the elderly” and their meager retirement income under attack by meanies like me.

      Let’s try a hypothetical. Regardless of the source of the income, the income tax on $1 million in Vermont is about $80,000 +/-. Thus, the $1 million becomes $920,000. Invested at 2.4% as Mr. Pelham suggests (rather low for those with such assets), it will produce $22,080 per year. If we raise the effective tax on the wealthy by 10%, the tax liability increases to $88,000. The amount remaining for investment is now $912,000 and the annual return = $21,888. That’s a decline of $192 per year.

      It is interesting that Mr. Pelham chose to tell a story about a Vermonter with a million dollar asset who has no retirement except interest income and Social Security. How likely is that? No business retirement account? No IRA or 401K? We don’t know the answer but we can’t let a lack of information get in the way of an anecdote.

      Moreover, he latched onto the finding about people moving in and out of the top bracket but his example represents a tiny portion of filers. That is, the Tax Commission said that some of those who report top earnings do so because of a single event and then drop back to some other income class. Mr. Pelham’s example was someone whose income after the sale of an asset would be under $50,000 (the $24,000 investment income plus Social Security). In fact, less than 3% of filers fit that profile. But hey, it was a good story.

      Sadly, Mr. Pelham ends with a reference to a lawsuit that has no bearing on this discussion and which he mischaracterizes. I’m headed out but will return to this later today.

    2. Pelham, have you been reduced to introducing someone’s legal filings in a debate about numbers? Really?

      For someone so opposed to taxing as you Tom, I think it should be pointed out that as tax commissioner your arbitrarily re-interpreted Vermont law regarding developmental home providers and taxable income – all on your very own.

      Of course the fact that this resulted in instantaneous tax increases in the thousands of dollars on a large number of unknowing Vermonters didn’t hinder your re-interpretation of Vermont law one iota. We can call this short lived attempt by you, Mr. Pelham, as The Pelham Tax!

      But then again maybe, Tom, you prefer raising taxes on the lower incomes rather than those with high incomes.

  7. Rama…. For the record, please read on and reveiw the letter to Speaker Symington below.

    A Tax Department audit found that some, but not all, contractors to the state providing in-home care to developmentally disabled clients were not reporting income from these contracts as required by law for purposes of income sensitivity, thus receiveing a higher benefit then allowed by law. This stirred a controversy as it appeared that, despite the clear language of the law, some staffers at the Agency of Human Services advised contractors that such payments were not required to be reported. Possibly, this occurred because such payments are not required to be reported for state and federal income tax purposes.

    Below is a letter to then Speaker Symington from then Secretary Mike Smith addressing this issue. Please note the position of the League of Cities and Towns and current Tax Commissioner Mary Petterson, who at the time was a State Representative. Both supported the resolution of this issue endorsed by the Tax Department. In the end, the Legislature fully cost shifted this tax exemption onto property tax payers and properly, Rep. Petterson did not sign the conference report and the Governor refused to sign the bill but let it become law without his signature.

    Representative Gaye Symington
    Speaker of the House
    State House
    Montpelier, Vermont 05602

    Dear Speaker Symington:

    I know you to be a strong defender of the Education Fund and that you speak often against the use of Education Funds for non-education purposes. Most recently, you opposed “raiding the education fund” to support development incentives for affordable housing. In view of your strong beliefs in this area, I write to seek your help with H. 274.

    As you know, last session a compromise was achieved by the legislature relative to the exemption of payments to providers of adult foster care for persons with developmental disabilities for purposes of property tax rebates and prebates. These payments are already tax exempt at both the state and federal levels. The compromise allowed that the first $6,500 of such payments be exempt, consisted with a limited number of other such exemptions.

    This year, pursuant to the recommendation of Commissioner Flood, the Administration adopted the $6,500 exemption and also included $450,000 of non-education funds in the DAIL budget to increase payments to these providers. The House agreed, and adopted this position in the Appropriations Act. However, in a separate bill dealing with technical definitional issues relating to foster care, H. 274, the Senate charted a different course.

    Here’s what Steve Jeffrey of VLCT said of the Senate’s action.

    “The Senate Health and Welfare Committee has proposed an amendment to H. 274 that will totally exempt these payments from the definition of household income in determining property tax adjustments under Act 60. As these payments will be deemed not to be income, these caregivers’ income is reduced, meaning that they pay less in education taxes, which means that everyone’s property taxes will go up to make up the difference. ……VLCT has testified in opposition to such an exclusion because it is yet another attempt to shift more costs onto the property tax and is a new use of the state Education Fund……”

    Further, Jeffrey’s argues:

    “The ‘slippery slope’ or the ‘camel’s nose under the tent’ are pretty popular sayings in the State House. This example is a good one where we see more opportunity for the state to offload its obligations onto the property tax.”

    In consideration of the above, the Administration and the House took the proper course. I think we can agree that many workers in both the private and public sector have undertaken difficult jobs at modest wages, yet their incomes must be reported in order that they pay their fair share under Vermont’s income-based property tax system. For these adult foster care providers, whom everyone agrees provide a valuable service, both the Administration and the House directly increased their payments, while the Senate redirected the funds set aside for these providers to other purposes, and shifted the burden onto the Education Fund.

    Unfortunately, two of the House members of the Conference Committee on H. 274, after a couple of brief meetings, conceded to the Senate’s position. Only Representative Petterson, on behalf of the House Ways and Means Committee, has indicated she will not sign the Conference Committee report. I have to believe, given the original position of the House on this matter and your strong opposition to raids on the Education Fund that your views are more in accord with Mr. Jeffrey’s and Representative Petterson’s.

    I would like to meet with you at your earliest convenience to see how we might restore the House’s position on this matter. I know the Governor will not sign H. 274, yet we all desire to ensure proper funding for these human service providers. As this matter is still a point of disagreement in the Appropriations Conference Committee, if it can be resolved there in favor of the House’s position, the House can then reject the Conference Committee report on H. 274. This course would both protect the Education Fund while providing increase payments to these adult foster care providers.

    Thank you for your attention to this matter.

    Sincerely,

    Michael K. Smith
    Secretary

  8. I have not read the Tax Commission Report, only articles about the report, such as this. So far I have not heard anything about beefing up enforcement of tax laws. Every year we hear news reports about estimates of how many people or businesses have not filed tax returns, or who are in arrears with their taxes. This happens at the federal, state and local levels.

    For example, in Rutland City they keep having to raise the Water and Sewer rates for various reasons. But one of the reasons is that some businesses are not paying their water and sewer bills, so they end up sticking it the rest of the taxpayers (year after year). Rutland City contracts out with businesses in Rutland Town, and some of them don’t pay their tax bills (i.e. Diamond Run Mall).

    In addition to the proposed tax reforms by the Tax Commission, I think at the state level, Vermont should do a better job at beefing up enforcement and go after the tax cheats, tax evaders, etc. That could help to lower the tax rates, albeit slightly. I realize enforcement requires further tax spending to pay for the investigators and collectors. However, it would send a message that Vermont is not going to be taken as a chump. It’s just not fair to the rest of us who pay our taxes!

    Turning in tax cheats to become more profitable
    http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=13846300

  9. And that changes what you did how?

  10. VT needs to raise taxes, use the rainy day fund and put an end to cutting human services for the disability community!
    Incluson is a Birthright not a PrIVALAGE!
    SAVE OUR STATE!

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