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  1. Thanks Senator Sanders.
    I’ve had a solar array three and a half years now and it makes 120% of my power and the extra goes into the grid thanks to net metering. If more people did what I did we would be better off. Prices have come down sense I did mine. More solar will help.

  2. There are some questions…
    Isn’t this corporate welfare?
    Also, this is in direct opposition to the idea of local, small, self-sustaining communities.
    Also, many across the country are opposing ‘smart meter’ technology.
    Some in Occupy Wall Street in Vermont have taken a stand against ‘smart meters’.
    Interesting – Sandia “…has roots in the Manhattan Project…”.

  3. I agree, more solar will help so how about a multi-billion dollar project for the people of VT, to help take us off the grid? This deal seems like it has a lot more in it for corporate America and government than it does for the citizens of VT. I don’t want a Smart meter and I object to Sandia Laboratories becoming the “security of the smart grid.”

  4. Finally I understand why Bernie Sanders is all for industrial scale wind in Vermont. Look at the company he’s been keeping!

    So now Vermont is going to have a “very strong” relationship with Sandia which makes its money from maintaining nuclear weapons. How green! Is it just me that finds this staggeringly unbelievable? I know it’s not the Vermont way to speak against Bernie and what he does but honestly — a strong relationship with Sandia?!

    Are we doing this for Vermont or are we doing this for other states? Do we want to be a guinea pig for the rest of the country? Do we really want to plug ourselves in with the military industrial complex that Sandia Labs represents?

    I attended the smart grid information workshop at the VECAN conference a few weeks ago and the panel was unable to tell us why the smart grid and smart metering is so important. The best we were told was that we would be able to monitor home energy use. A gentleman in the audience held up a device he had bought the day before to do just that. He asked what the difference was. No one could give him an answer beyond that it will give the utility companies information that they need. Everyone in the room had concerns about the “smart” grid — from health to security — and I left unconvinced that we are on the right path for getting off of fossil fuels.

    I am still unconvinced and I am shocked at how we are proceeding. We are blasting our ridgelines for millions in tax credits, partnering with Sandia for millions, and our governor says there’s no time for discussion, it all has to happen now. This is no way to “lead” the country into renewable energy — for big money no matter what the stakes and rushed and thoughtlessly.

  5. We want Sustainable energy? Yes, we do. Our grid and infrastructure needs to upgraded that is true. Does smart grid offer a real solution to energy efficiency. That has yet to be shown, so far the smart grid only informs us of our energy usage, which anyone can already CHOOSE to do with their own investment- NYT article http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052314024514498.html

    so why invest millions in this technology… and this “corporate person” who is managed by the number 1 lobbyist for nuclear weapons programs?

    Sandia Lobbying info 2002
    http://www.worldpolicy.newschool.edu/projects/arms/reports/reportaboutface.html#IIIa

  6. How could Bernie do this to us? What is he thinking???

    What is the plan for when the ‘smart grid’ fails – or are we supposed to believe that this is a zero defects technology? (I am 74 years old. When I was growing up we NEVER had a power outage. Years went by – hurricanes came and went. The lights stayed on. Now the power goes out so often that those in my neighborhood with money have generators. Every time a squirrel walks on a line, the power goes out…. and then CVPS says they can’t get here from there because ALL of their repair vehicles are in the boondocks of Sunderland. I want a system that is as reliable as it was in 1947. Please – or else please get me a generator and a wind turbine – that’s all I want for Christmas………..)

  7. I’ve got a lot of experience in renewable energy, and efficiency programs and can say without qualification that Smart meters are nothing but a tax-subsidized meter-upgrade that will ONLY benefit utilities.

    There are already lots of affordable private-sector home-energy-use monitoring options. And we’re not all going to go out and by a “smart” fridge for $4000 that saves us pennies here and there by operating its compressor when rates are cheaper at night. When your fridge needs to turn on to keep your food from spoiling, you really want it to wait 6 hours because the meter tells it to? This is a joke.

    The only real benefit of smart-meters is that meter-readers no longer are necessary, so power companies can LAY OFF lots of people and improve their bottom line. That’s it.

    Maybe that’s a value we should applaud, but it’s absolutely appalling that nearly $100 Million in tax-$ is being given to the utilities for this boondoggle, meanwhile the VT Clean Energy Development Fund that helps subsidize distributed wind and solar power is EMPTY WITH NO $ IN SIGHT.

    The worst thing about this boondoggle is that Smart-meters are being positioned by our “leaders” as a pre-requisite for being able to deploy lots of renewable energy installations. This is 100% BOGUS. Denmark and Germany have 20% of the power in their grid coming from distributed non-utility-owned renewable energy, (compared to less than 2% in VT) and they have NO smart-meters.

    PV-electricity production is almost perfectly predictable now, so power companies can easily plan their operations based on known predictable factors regarding how much power net-metered solar systems will be putting into the grid at any particular point. Smart-meters have a sliver of relevance to distributed solar in terms of production/load monitoring, but this is not at all necessary, because MOST EVERY PV system already has a web-connected data-monitoring system that homeowners could make accessible to utilities.

    Smart-meters are TOTALLY REDUNDANT and un-needed regarding solar power. And smart-meters have ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to industrial wind and the issues that utilities have to manage re grid-load/supply.

    Yes our grid needs investments to enable massive deployment of large-scale utility-owned renewable energy, but that has NOTHING to do with residential “smart meters”. Distributed solar power on your property does not require a grid upgrade because the electron-flow is small, distributed and perfectly predictable.

    Large utility-owned wind or solar systems do require grid-upgrades, but again that has NOTHING to do with residential meters.

    Greg: you and I have common progressive-activists friends like Robin Llyod who sing your praises as a journalist and activist. But I have to question you: how is it possible that you don’t bring up ANY of these issues in your article? Your article reads like a press-release hot of the Sanders-PR machine-press, without a shred of critical analysis about the value-prop of smart-meters or any alternative perspective, which is disturbing.

  8. Great comments here. Now if only we can get Bernie and the Governor to read them… and yes, how about some intelligent coverage of these issues in the Press. When I first brought up the issue of Smart Meters in Bennington, no one knew what I was talking about.

    Is there any way to recind the Sandia grant?

    Reminds me of what Assange said about war: “…just one damn thing after another…”

  9. How can the grant to Sandia be recinded?

    Will the Vermont Press step up and help inform the public on this issue?

    Like Assange said about the war: “…it’s just one damn thing after another…”

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