[S]ometimes in the wake of a bad situation, you have to look backward while you also look forward.

Sometimes you even have to look inward, too.

That was the challenge this week as the House committee that ultimately oversees the EB-5 immigration investment program grappled with the fallout from charges of fraud in the Northeast Kingdom.

Among the questions committee members had: How did it happen, did the state of Vermont do enough, whatโ€™s going on now, and, looking to the future, how to help the people in the Kingdom counting on those jobs now unlikely to happen.

โ€œYou have to learn from history, you have to do bothโ€ to look backward and forward at the same time, said Bill Botzow, the chair of House Commerce and Economic Development. โ€œI do understand that, but neither one should blind the other one. We have to look out of both eyes.โ€

At times, committee members sounded stunned by the enormity of the allegations: that, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission, developers Ariel Quiros and Bill Stenger ran a Ponzi-like scheme, that tens of millions had been diverted and that one of the prize projects, a biomedical research facility for Newport, was dead, and that another high-profile one, the โ€œhole in the groundโ€ in downtown Newport, might be a long-lasting eyesore.

Bill Botzow, D-Pownal, chair of the House Committee on Commerce and Economic Development. Photo by John Herrick/VTDigger
Bill Botzow, D-Bennington, chair of the House Committee on Commerce and Economic Development. Photo by John Herrick/VTDigger

โ€œIf something bad happens, you always have to say I should have done better no matter what. I wish this had never happened. I donโ€™t know what tools there were to get there,โ€ Botzow said.

โ€œThe skepticism boat was slow to emerge,โ€ he said.

Among the larger more philosophical issues weaved throughout their discussions inside and outside the committee room: the lure of temptation, the power of greed, the need to be able to trust and be skeptical at the same time, whether Vermontโ€™s eyes and appetite grew too big, and got in over its head, dazzled by the dream for jobs in an area economically challenged, without casting a skeptical eye.

โ€œIโ€™ve always said the strength of the faith is the strength of your doubt,โ€ Botzow said, โ€œand I do think we have to be the best skeptics we can possibly be, but we also have to be the best champions at the same time. Thatโ€™s very hard as humans. Itโ€™s (typically) one or the other.โ€

One definite move, he said, would be to codify into statute the regulation of EB-5 projects by the Department of Financial Regulation.

Committee members were clearly working through shock as they tried to figure out where uncompleted projects stood and how to move forward. By the end of the week, the mood in the committee room was decidedly more hopeful after the court-appointed federal receiver, Michael Goldberg, assured them the assets would be assessed, preserved and aggressively sold.

Goldberg, who has helped in cases including the Bernie Madoff scandal, interjected his over-the-phone testimony to the committee with assurances including โ€œIโ€™ve never had a problem selling real estateโ€ that didnโ€™t sound like boasts, just stating the facts.

Committee member Rep. Heidi Scheuermann, a Stowe Republican, like others said she was impressed with Goldberg. As far as the EB-5 scandal, she said the Legislature bore some of the blame.

โ€œI think looking back yeah, I would have liked to have done more. I think we are at fault in some ways of not keeping a closer eye on things,โ€ she said.

Scheuermann took pity on the investors she said were swayed by promotional praises professed by politicians, including Gov. Peter Shumlin and Sen. Patrick Leahy. And she wondered if that endorsement opened the state up to some sort of legal exposure, particularly before promotion and enforcement of the EB-5 program were split in 2014. Prior to the split, the Agency of Commerce and Community Development was supposed to be both watchdog and promoter. After, the DFR was put in charge of regulating finances while ACCD remained the booster.

Heidi Scheuermann
Rep. Heidi Scheuermann, R-Stowe, a member of the House Committee on Commerce and Economic Development. Photo by Roger Crowley/for VTDigger

The politicianโ€™s praises, Scheuermann, said, โ€œcarries with it, I think, overseas a lot of weight so my concern — and I donโ€™t think Iโ€™m throwing anything out there that people havenโ€™t thought of, maybe Iโ€™ve verbalized it more than others — but my concern is that with that might come some idea on investorsโ€™ parts that weโ€™re liable for this because at the same time we were supposed to be regulating it.โ€

Scheuermann said she has fundamental philosophical problems with the program, adding some people joked โ€œitโ€™s either the most American thing in the world or the most un-American thing in the world.โ€

Rep. Michael Marcotte, a Newport Republican on the committee, said the worst part has been the effect on Newport, the โ€œhole in the groundโ€ downtown thatโ€™s been left undeveloped and that AnC-Bio, biomedical research facility slated to be built in Newport, will not come to pass.

โ€œWhat was hard for me to swallow was Newport. All the faith we had put into that vision and the hopes and dreams of business people,โ€ Marcotte said softly.

Marcotte said there was discouragement and disbelief but he was also thankful many of the earlier projects have already been built. And he said the people in the Kingdom will be fine.

โ€œWe donโ€™t give up,โ€ he said, โ€œweโ€™re used to high unemployment and struggles and we only have up to go.โ€ In the end, he said, the controversy will be a โ€œminor blipโ€ on the economic development plans of the entire region.

Marcotte said his biggest concern about all the EB-5 projects had been whether the community could keep pace with the developers and produce the number of employees their ambitious plans required. Chair Botzow raised a similar concern, whether Vermont had exposed itself too much approving all the projects and should be more careful of โ€œrisk managementโ€ in the EB-5 program and throughout state government.

Rep. Michael Marcotte, R-Newport. VTDigger Photo by Mark Johnson.
Rep. Michael Marcotte, R-Newport. VTDigger Photo by Mark Johnson.

Quiros, Marcotte said, appeared to be greedy, while Stenger, he said โ€œsomewhere along the way he got off the right path and got on the wrong path.โ€

Quiros and Stenger have denied any wrongdoing.

Marcotte said looking back โ€œour focus wasnโ€™t really on the regulatory side of it. We put a lot of faith in our business people, especially with Bill at the helm. We had a lot of faith in Bill.โ€

He was encouraged by Goldbergโ€™s plans and the speed that the receiver hoped to move selling assets, including the undone downtown development plan.

โ€œI think itโ€™s a minor blow,โ€ he said. โ€œWeโ€™re staying upbeat.โ€

Twitter: @MarkJohnsonVTD. Mark Johnson is a senior editor and reporter for VTDigger. He covered crime and politics for the Burlington Free Press before a 25-year run as the host of the Mark Johnson Show...

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