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  1. I have only Medicare as my Insurance and I’ve been very satisfied with it. No one has ordered expensive tests which were not warranted and revealed serious problems. I do not want to be cared for by a group of people in these for-profit ACOs, knowing that a medical group caring for me is looking to make personal profits on providing less care. This is a dangerous idea and might sound like cost-saving, but the U.S. Government did a series of studies and not much money was actually saved in those Medicare studies. And, yes, the care was exemplary, but these were closely monitored pilot projects, looking for delivery of quality coordinated services which is a excellent idea.

    As a provider, psychologist, of health care services, I am equally appalled. Yes, we should be reimbursed and incentives to coordinate care should be available and care would be better. I now attempt, on my own time, to provide coordinated care because it is the right way to care for patients, but I would never contemplate being in a group which has the incentive to make bonuses for doing the right thing. The risk is that, knowing human nature, the “quality care” will slip and the prospect for bonuses will encourage not ordering that expensive test or referring for psychological services for example. The “save a buck on service & make a buck” mentality will take over inevitably. Why not encourage and pay for good, coordinated services?

    The following article can be obtained in full at the Washington Post:

    “Experiment to lower Medicare costs did not save much money

    By Amy Goldstein, Published: June 1, 2011The Washington Post

    “A key government experiment that set out to lower costs and coordinate care for Medicare patients — now the blueprint for an innovation the Obama administration is trying to move to a national scale — has failed to save a substantial amount of money.

    The five-year test enlisted 10 leading health systems around the country and offered financial bonuses if they could save enough by treating older patients more efficiently while providing high-quality care. In 2010, the final year, just four of the 10 sites, all long-established groups run by doctors, slowed their Medicare spending enough to qualify for a bonus, according to an official evaluation not yet made public. Two sites saved enough to get bonuses in all five years, the evaluation shows, but three did not succeed even once. The uneven progress is significant because the experiment involves “accountable care organizations,” one of the hottest trends in health policy and an idea included in the year-old federal law intended to overhaul the nation’s health-care system.”

    1. Thank you for your comments. I have a gut instinct you are right. Why? Nowhere is there patient/client input. This is all about the providers getting a toe in the door for the next three years. Unfortunately, the ACA made a bargain with the devil-in-the-details so hospitals et al would give tacit approval to the Act. Come single provider, come!

  2. The devil is in the details. We will have to wait and see!

    Reading only the above, I see the 3 year start up risks/cost overages will be soley borne by Medicare/taxpayer, yet it the hoped for savings are real they will be split with the new ACO owners. Socialize the risk/privatize the profits????

    I remember that Medicare advantage was going to be a big cost saver too. Giving Insurance companies the right to cover people as long as they fully met the basic Medicare requirements…just like the ACO they promised lower costs and better health care. Early on they did cost less..ie 97% but now they cost 114 to 120% more than Government run Medicare. Because of this both the ACA and the Ryan budget strips this waste from the future.

    Tell me why this is better! Why this will not be another money making boondogle at the taxpayer expense.

    Open minded but skeptical.

  3. Very skeptical! Every time I see “for-profit” and health care in the same sentence! They are not usually compatible!

  4. As “for-profit,” this doesn’t pass the smell test!

  5. I agree with the others.

    “For Profit” and Health Care in the same sentence?

    Not a good sign.

  6. I agree with all the above sentiments. Right now we don’t have an effective electronic medical records system to share patient data, even within Vermont! How is OneCare going to know what care I obtain in FLA, for example, to ensure that there is no duplication, as they assume? Good luck with that.

    To wit, not long ago while covered by the state employees’ health plan, I was referred to a specialist at Fletcher Allen by my primary care doc in Montpelier. After waiting several weeks for the appointment, I was frustrated to find out that, not only were none of my records transferred prior to the visit, but they were not even available to this specialist online! He actually tried and couldn’t access anything.

    After going through the whole story all over again, just to get him to Square 1, this became a wasted visit, and a waste of health care dollars. He really couldn’t do much without any background data and of course, we ran out appointment time. If this happened to me, it must have happened to others.

    Lastly, how many Medicare recipients (the actual users) were included in the planning of this huge change that will affect each and every one of them? Were patients actually consulted, or did the corporations decide they knew what was best for the users?

    Sadly, Vermont continues to affirm Mitt Romney’s frequent declaration, “Corporations are people, my friend”. Between GMP, single payer and now OneCare, who is making our critical decisions for us? Citizens United? Really? Where are the voices of the citizens?

    And lastly, as with “single payer”, where is the contingency planning? Every business knows they need a contingency plan in the event of unforseen negative outcomes. Can GMCB describe their contingency plan in the event that “single payer” doesn’t work? Can OneCare? Or are we just to “trust” them, as GMP recommends? “Trust, but verify” makes a lot more sense to me.

  7. This is just awful. FAHC is still laboring under a $400M debt load from its ridiculous cosmetic expansion (which left its ancient inpatient wards dark and untouched). Dartmouth has a similarly impressive debt load. Executive compensation at both places is off the charts. FAHC has long pushed the bounds of ‘nonprofit’ beyond the original mission of a hospital. The “for-profit” part of the business is not, and never will be, compatible with a patient-centered approach.

  8. So basically, the only people saving money in this model would be the hospitals, but those savings will not be passed on to the taxpayers or Medicare recipients. Everyone will still be paying the same amount, but the ACO and hospital execs get to split the spoils? Are you freaking kidding me?

  9. Since the beginning of time, no matter what the story is about, hospitals have used every opportunity to sing their one song: “We lose money taking care of people. This is a money losing proposition.” NOW, HERE THEY ARE, FIRED UP ABOUT KEEPING HALF THE SAVINGS THEY CAN GENERATE.

    Why didn’t Ms. Wallach seize on this hypocrisy???? What does government oversight mean if the watchdogs are blind and sleeping?

  10. I agree with all of the above letters. FOR PROFIT and GOOD PATIENT CARE in the medical profession is is NOT possible- never has been. Even many NOT FOR PROFIT if operated by hospitals is NOT true NOT FOR PROFIT- again never has been. Having been in the profession since 1956, there isn’t much I haven’t seen, but For PROFIT and GOOD HEALTH CARE combination isn’t one of them.

  11. For profit + fee for service = BAD
    For profit + limiting service = GOOD
    I get it!

  12. I’ve received a letter from OneCareVermont telling me that my primary doc has chosen to participate in OneCareVermont, and included is a form to use if I elect to “opt out”. But wait, it reads that if I opt out, “CMS will still need to use your information for some purposes, including certain financial calculations and determining the quality of care provided by ….(my primary doc) … and OneCareVermont”. This is opting out???
    Oh yes, “Having this information will help us and your other health care providers participating in our ACO give you high-quality care, because we’ll have the most up-to-date information about your health”. Do they really expect Medicare to have up to date information?. Dream on. This is the same organization that gets ripped off by scammers and crooks to the tune of millions. Count me as pretty negative on this new model. The goal as described is exactly what I expect from my primary doc – coordinated care.

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