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  1. At this point I really have no doubt that the DFR is pretty deepky biased. Thst’s not something I would have said when this story broke a few days ago, but it is now. This is is a real embarassment for Vermont, really.

  2. Maybe I’m wrong, but the voice we need to hear from is our Governor Schumlin, you know, the guy that hired Kimbell.

    My wife and I have been VSECU members for over 25 years. Never had a problem understanding that the VSECU was not a “for profit” commercial bank and I doubt if any of the 50,000 current members do either. That by the way Governor is about 8% of the voting public, not counting the other state credit unions.

    As a native Vermonter, I agree with Avram, it sure is an embarrassment to me as it should be to the Governor. Maybe it’s time for all good cooperative banking members to call, write or email the Governor and let him know just how embarrassed we really are.

  3. Thank you Professor Kreis!

    I’m not a lawyer, so your comments are much appreciated. I’m just a member of 3 credit unions, 2 in VT and one in MI. I am a fairly recent member of VSECU. When I joined VSECU, I knew exactly what it was. The “CU” in VSECU stands for “Credit Union”.

    If the DFR prevails in the cease and desist order against VSECU’s use of the words “bank” and “banking”, they cannot force me to cease and desist from doing my “banking” at VSECU, online or in person.

    People join credit unions for various reasons. For me, one of the reasons was the occasionally poor service and hassle I received from 2 commercial banks decades ago.

    I have my credit card through HSBC (actually the processing was transferred there a few years ago). HSBC appeared before Congress recently amidst money laundering charges (money laundering Mexican drug money).

    JP Morgan Chase recently reported (admitted) a loss of $2 Billion through risky trading. This was later revised to $4 Billion range. In a sense, JP Morgan Chase was gambling with customer deposits.

    Why don’t regulators, State and Federal, go after HSBC and JP Morgan Chase, et al, and stop picking on credit unions like VSECU.

    Why can’t commercial banks competing on good Customer Service, and higher rates for deposits and CDs? Why do they have to resort on lobbying the DFR to inflict legal costs and hassle upon VSECU.

    Vermont students are well-educated in K-12, in comparison to other states. So Vermonters are smart enough to know the difference between a bank and a credit union.

    Will DFR impose a cease and desist order on banks to stop using the word “credit” in their marketing?

    Lastly, the electric ratepayers of CVPS bailed them out in 2000, and were not given their money back. If the DFR imposes a franchise tax on VSECU, it is a further extraction of money from citizens who are credit union members (via the potential of lowered deposit interest rates). We know what happened in the CVPS/GMP case. We can’t let this kind of “extraction” happen again.

  4. As a former employee of VSECU, I was always under the impression banking was the verb like making dough. Credit Unions are great in the sense personal/car “Loan Officers” and “Loan Originators” do not make a commission so no one is pushing to up sell you; the downside is the pay and lack of incentive other than keeping your job.

  5. As a former banker as well as a credit union CEO, I would agree with the commenters that feel this is an embarassment and someone with some authority and/or, perhaps common sense which is obviously lacking in our government and system of due process today, should step in and put a stop to this absurd proceeding.
    It is however, in my opinion, great publicity for the credit union industry. I have to remain confident that common sense will ultimately prevail and the evil bankers will lose the battle on this one and further tarnish their image that they themselves have injured so deeply over the course of history. In the meantime, this action serves only to further strengthen the credit union message and mission and provides more public awareness of the credit union mission and the cooperative movement. Cheers to VCECU for fighting the good fight on this one on behalf of all the small credit unions in Vermont and throughout the country that lack the resources to do so themselves.

  6. When this tempest arose earlier on Digger’s radar screen, the DFR regulator cited his objectivity by noting a previous business connection to VSECU. As a concerned VSECU member, and VT citizen, I am more troubled by the lack of public assurance that the regulator has NO current business connections to those who will profit if his ruling stands.

    The ruling was based on an interpretation of VSA 8, Chap 204, 14103. That subsection forbids any person but a duly authorized financial institution from advertising themselves as a bank, banking association, etc. or using those designated words or similar sounding words. No where in 14103 is there a specific prohibition against using the common word ‘banking’. I consider myself a normal, reasonable consumer of financial transaction services who would never confuse the use of the common word ‘banking’ with the words ‘bank, banking association’, etc. as they relate to 14103.

    Finally, I can see no logical connection between the tax status of for-profit enterprises, including banks, to rulings on the part of State officials based on Statute sections that have no connection to tax status; 104103 does NOT make a connection to tax/ fee status. That ‘red herring’ argument re: tax/ fee status appears nonetheless in the speech of both the DFR regulator and a Banker’s alliance spokesperson.

    Overall, I am concerned there is a possible appearance of 14103 having been used in a process that ended in a preferential ruling. I hope I am mistaken in that deeply troubling concern.

  7. What did anyone expect in the first place when Gov, Corporation brought the state’s foremost strong-arm lobbyist into his Adm? The main job of the lobbyist is to subvert any remaining vestiges of grassroots democracy from governance and replace it with control by Vermont’s good old boy heavy hitters. This is a function Kimball still fulfills.

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