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  1. Mr. McLaughry neglected to share some other interesting information about Indiana. For example,

    1. Indiana’s unemployment rate was 8.7% in Aug. (VT = 5.9%)

    2a. Indiana’s median household income in 2010 was $46,156, which was 8% lower than the U.S. average ($50,328) and considerably lower than VT ($53,490) [Census/CPS, three year rolling average]

    2b. Indiana’s median household income has DECLINED by 5.5% since Mr. Daniels took office in 2005. (VT = -1.3%)

    3a. Indiana’s poverty rate was 14.4% in 2009 (VT = 11.4%) [Census, SAIPE]

    3b. Snce Mr. Daniel’s took office, Indiana’s poverty rate has INCREASEDd 2.2% (VT = 1.1%)

    4. Since Mr. Daniel’s took office, Indiana has LOST OVER 161,000 jobs (5.5% of the total). (VT is down half of one percent) [BLS, CES/SA]

    It’s puzzling that Mr. McLaughry would characterize this as a “record of success.” From where I’m sitting, it stinks.

  2. I kind of like Mitch Daniels. He probaly has some positive programs going. However when it comes to states achieving full employment Vermont should not be looking to Indiana. If John McClaughry, was in Indiana and was the vice president of the Lew Wallace Institute (my hypothetical) he would be touting Vermont’s programs that result in our state being 7th out of 50 in unemployment rates at 5.9% and gripe that Indiana is at 29th place and 8.7% for August 2011. Because it is the practice of the Ethan Allen Institute to foment discontent. Otherwise they have no reason to exist. I for one am proud of my state and think that we do quite a bit right.

  3. Oh dear, where to start?

    Unemployment rate:

    VT – 5.9%
    IN – 8.7 %

    Residents in poverty:

    VT – 7.6%
    IN – 12.6%

    Median household income:

    VT – $53,490
    IN – $46,156

    Personal income growth, rank, Q1/2010 to Q2/2011:

    VT – 11th
    IN – 41st

    Jobs added, 8/2011:

    VT- + 1,400
    IN – - 2,500

    And, about that little experiment with privatizing welfare payments – http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jun/24/nation/la-na-indiana-privatize-20110624

    But, hey, he cut taxes, cut education spending, and wounded the teachers’ union. Life is good, eh?

  4. Median household income:

    VT – $53,490
    IN – $46,156

    $53,490?? Then why are Doug Hoffer and the alleged “Peace and Justice” folks constantly whining?

    1. Because “median” means half the households are below that figure. Thousands of Vermont families are living on a lot, lot less.

      Note, too, the VT Department of Labor figures on how many people are employed in low-paying jobs – in 2010, half of Vermont’s workers were earning less than $33K a year, and a fourth were earning less than $24K. A big chunk of Vermont’s jobs are low-paying service industry positions.

      1. Mr. Fairbanks,

        Your point would seem to be at odds with your position that Vermont is doing well relative to other states as a result of its progressive policies. Would average income, then, be a better measure than median income? I don’t know the answer; I’m simply asking.

  5. Mr. Kheiry -

    My point was that Mitch Daniels is hardly a model of success. Since I’m a Vermonter, I used VT as the comparison.

    The Right constantly harps the VT is an economic hell-on-Earth because of all those taxes and regulations. (As in, Eek! All the rich people will move away!!) Then one of the most prominent Right scribes extolls Gov. Daniels as a success story. I was pointing out that, despite cutting taxes and hacking at education funding, Gov. Daniels has hardly produced an economic miracle during his tenure.

    My reply to Mr. Foerster was intended to point out that our relatively high median household income does not mean a lot of Vermonters aren’t struggling.

    Average income as a measure should be avoided, since it’s susceptible to swings, e.g., the old joke about Bill Gates walking into a bar and suddenly everyone there’s a millionaire . . .

    It occurs to me now that, despite VT’s HOE status and Mr. McClaughry’s admiration for Gov. Daniels, I’ll bet Mr. McC is not packing his bags for Indiana.

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