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  1. We need to have two things enshrined in law:

    1) Any information that is generated by our individual actions is by law copyrighted to us as an individual. This information cannot be collected, disseminated or used in any manner without our express permissions, and no agreement of any kind for any service or any product can require we give this right up.

    2) Internet neutrality. This is the simple premise that no data can be discriminated against or for for any reason. The public will be able to access my data on an equal basis with that of the behemoths such as Facebook or Google or any other service.

  2. Perhaps it’s too late for any meaningful action. Anonymity is an unreasonable expectation on the Internet. It disappeared the day we first logged on to a site or ‘surfed.’

  3. Who controls the other media now, Andrew?

  4. The horse is, unfortunately, already out of the barn. This is old news, which makes it exceedingly bad news for those of us who are ensnared by our digital compulsions.
    If you Google or Facebook, subscribe to the NYTimes online, buy books through Amazon, or ogle pornography at one of the thousands of sites that let you do that, they’ve already captured a lot of your data.
    Even if you quit Facebook today, or decide never to Google again it’s too late if you are trying to protect your privacy. Mark Zuckerberg doesn’t belive in privacy, particularly your privacy.
    There are commercial services which allow an individual to anonymously traverse the interwebs. These usually come with a monthly fee. And who knows what these services are doing with your information.
    I found Chester’s concern about targeted ad dollars naive. That’s what happens in a consumer oriented society. You don’t see advertisements for Rolls Royce Automobiles in the pages of the Times Argus, and you don’t find ads for cord wood in the pages of the New York Times.
    This is a very interesting topic which could be the basis for a very interesting in-depth article on the issues of privacy in these times. You could write that story. I’m sure there are a lot of Vermont companies that are data mining.
    Dig deeper Andrew.

    1. Well said Gayle,

      At the risk of sounding “paranoid”, it can actually be as bad as “misinformation” at times since much of the “data” or information collected on the internet, including all digital devices, is usually out of context. Companies can pick and choose information, compiling an inaccurate portrait of your activities and spendetures.

      Its not just about what you purchase. Its about you and how others might percieve who you are.

      I agree with Rama too.

  5. An interesting variety of thoughts.
    First, I don’t think most people, especially young people, understand the depth and breadth of the data collection “arms race.” Knowledge and awareness are first important steps. That’s why I thought it important to write about Chester’s talk.
    Second, there is a difference between anonymity and privacy. Chester’s key point is that the default position for all web use should be the data is private – this is the position Europe has taken and this is being debated – with considerable opposition from business – in Congress (Read the letters to Congress at http://www.tacd.org). Do we really want to abdicate any say on how data we create is used? Saying any effort is “naive” ignores the real concerns many people have about privacy on the web. It is one thing when the snoop is government; it is another when completely unaccountable corporations are doing the snooping, and for monetary gain.
    The “horse is out of the barn” argument is a bit like saying there’s a fire on the top floor of a 5-story building and we shouldn’t try to stop it.
    I am not sure what Mr. Morriseau’s point is. There are a thousand media sources out on the web for information, left to right, and farther afield, owned by everything from public corporations to families to magnates and one-man shows, like the Drudge Report. The issue here is, if I visit a news site or porn site, anti-Semitic site, a site that advocates government resistance or socialist takeover, Huffpo or Fox, should that information and the stories I was interested in, be freely sold to a big corporation so they can profile and market me as some virtual created person? Chester, for one, doesn’t think so, and it remains in our power to do something about it – but first we have to be aware of the issue.

    1. Hi Andrew, as you continue to explore this topic might I suggest you talk to young folks about the conscious tradeoffs they’re willing to make?

      It seems to me that the younger (I’m thinking early twenties and down) folks I talk to are okay with the abuse of their private information as long as it helps make this whole interconnected thing work better.

      Thoughts?

  6. Just a heads up that I have linked to this article on my site Digital Rights Watch (www.digitalrightswatch.org).

    Digital Rights are a fascinating and ever evolving area of the law with real worl consequences that are not often readily understood. Throw in the fact that the issue of Internet governance is being hotly debated with more and more governments looking to control how the Internet functions (and who do not believe in the “quaint” concept of the American right to free speech) and you have a real battleground that is developing in venues as diverse as courts of law and the UN. There are no easy solutions but I invite you to read an article on the concept of databuse and how it relates to privacy in order to understand a bit where some of this debate is going. (http://digitalrightswatch.org/?p=686)

  7. That would be “databuse”. Sorry for the typo!

    Mark

  8. It’s not surprising people are willing to make the trade-offs that Rama suggests. (Although, I believe there are recent studies indicating young people are more concerned about their privacy than is often attributed to them.) However, I believe Chester’s point about how neuroscience research now allows businesses to exploit our desire for free, cool stuff in ways that make us unconsciously vulnerable to helping create a surveillance society is troubling.

    Perhaps even more troubling is how the “personalized” Internet is narrowing our world view, not expanding it as predicted. Here’s an interesting 9-minute TED talk that does a pretty good job describing how: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOE1HFEL8XA&feature=player_embedded#

  9. I find this an extremely troubling subject that’s frightening both from a personal POV and from a global POV. I’m a fan of Google and my consulting business is based largely on its products, but at the same time I’m an even bigger proponent of privacy and security on the web. No company or organization should be allowed free reign on the internet, and no user should be subject to Big Brother-esque tracking and monitoring. A business can’t install security cameras in bathrooms, but they can track your cell phone location and usage while you’re on the john?

    I certainly don’t have any answers and should be much better informed than I am, but I did want to weigh in with my (mostly obvious) thoughts. As mentioned, children today are in the most danger because social media and smart phones are basically extensions of who they are, and I don’t think many kids think twice about sharing the most personal and private thoughts, info and images on the web. The population that is the most active online is also perhaps the most ignorant of the dangers to which they are exposing themselves.

    On a totally different subject, I couldn’t help but notice the caption under the photo at the top of the article. I hate to make a monstrously picky editorial comment, but the Eastern Newt being captured by the smart phone is actually an Amphibian, not a Reptile. It made me do a double-take because I took a similar photo of a Red Eft (as I know them) while hiking Mt. Philo a few weeks ago!

    Thanks for putting this critical subject matter in front of us for discussion.

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