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  1. The culture of corruption and incompetence at VSH has been so deep-rooted that it has not been able to regain certification. Millions of dollars were wasted trying to get it recertified. I hope the state is not planing to waste even more money on VSH. It’s gone. Let it RIP.

    If the state eliminated the use of involuntary treatment it would decrease the number of hospitalized people are reduce strain on the system. Many people would not need hospitalization if there was more money spent on a comminity based system.

  2. What do the engineers who have examined the VSH structure say about it viability? That is the major question that needs to be answered. If the structure is okay, then we clean it and we get back to business ASAP. Problem solved.

  3. I second the idea expressed above that the Community Health and Mental health Centers need stengthening. They could include Day Programs and more psychiatric services which would, I believe, allow more clients to remain in communities, if not in their own homes, then in a system of staffed group homes. I worked in such a system back in 1978-79 between Danvers State Hospital and Lynn Community Health Center (MA, a group home and a community “club” which we staffed for drop-ins. There is just so MUCH more that needs to be done in Vermont’s mental health system, I hope a comprehensive planning team will explore the whole picture. Written by a licensed psychologist-doctorate in VT and NH.

  4. The employees of the VSH are very caring and competent. My daughter is one of them and anyone who knows anything about the reality of the situation would not make flip comments about their competence, honesty and commitment.

    Community delivery is a great idea BUT it has to be adequately funded or it is the worst alternative in practical terms. In recent years community mental health has been the first target of the budget cutters. The depth of the cuts in recent times has been horrifying. It is a testament to the designated agencies that they have been able to maintain excellent services in spite of them.

    Community treatment is not appropriate for every patient. The fact that there were only 51 patients in the hospital underscores Vermont’s commitment to community based treatment but also points out that there are some of our fellow Vermonters who simply cannot be adequately served in a community environment.

    My daughter was there during the patient transfer operation described in the article. The outstanding work these public servants accomplished shows the true measure of their commitment, compassion and competence.

    As a side note, all of the staff members there were enormously impressed with the way in which AHS Secretary Doug Racine pitched in to help. The guy was not standing around supervising; he got right into it and was as dirty and cruddy as anyone there. Judging by what I heard, this man is the real deal, and we should recognize and appreciate what a resource Vermont has in this fine man.

  5. If I understood correctly, it was recently reported how eleven (11) of the fifty-one (51) of those who were previously inmates (commonly referred to as “patients”) held at the prison-like “state hospital” facility and then relocated elsewhere across the state are no longer being held in such custody and are now in community placements of one sort or another.

    Given how the census had hovered at or around fifty (50) inmates for quite a while, this is a major shift of a significant number of inmates previously considered only best confined within a secure psychiatric prison-like facility along the lines of the “state hospital” and points to as well as illustrates how it is quite possible to do differently as well as better, including in terms of improving outcomes.

    In addition, well prior to Tropical Storm Irene finally doing what people have been talking about for thirty (30) or more years, I have it on good authority also confirmed of how there were at least three (3) persons who staff and doctors at the “state hospital” believed could not do well outside of the facility and needed to remain there had been placed at Second Spring in Williamstown and within a rather short period of time were quickly placed within community settings, including permanent housing in certain cases, if not in each case.

    Then, a few months ago during a local radio talk show hosted on WGDR it was reported by someone well within the know about how, as I understand it, over the past Winter during a Point In Time (PIT) count of people living homeless the “state hospital” was surveyed and it was found that there were twelve (12) persons still being held at the time who no longer met a clinical need to remain there and they were only being held on a continued basis due to there not having been any other least restrictive community placement, including permanent housing as well as supports and services in place in order to allow for such.

    It certainly is not for the lack of funds or resources, given how much it costs to institutionalize someone in a prison-like facility on a daily basis.

    These examples, along with other I am also aware of, help provide the basis of evidence of serious Olmstead (read: Americans with Disabilities Act: ADA) violations for which the state would be liable and there is no good excuse or justifiable reason. In fact, although their facilities are newer and presumably in much better condition, this is something New Hampshire is in trouble for by the U.S. Department of Justice.

    These have been among the many ongoing problems that existed for years and years at the “state hospital”, so although eleven (11) have recently been placed elsewhere due to the current crisis and the opportunity it afforded, I would not be surprised if there were even more would could easily be placed elsewhere if the will was exercised and priority made in order to do so.

    Do not take my word for it however, check around and find out for yourself.

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    … I would not be surprised if there were even more who could easily be placed elsewhere if the will was exercised and priority made in order to do so.

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  7. Just to clarify the point stated within the first paragraph within my initial comment post, these eleven (11) persons are no longer considered as being “patients” in the care of what use to be the “state hospital” and have been released from such custody in one form or another. This number does not include others being held in other temporary community placements who remain in such custody.

  8. “anyone who knows anything about the reality of the situation would not make flip comments about their competence, honesty and commitment.
    Community delivery is a great idea BUT it has to be adequately funded or it is the worst alternative in practical terms. In recent years community mental health has been the first target of the budget cutters.Community delivery is a great idea BUT it has to be adequately funded or it is the worst alternative in practical terms. In recent years community mental health has been the first target of the budget cutters.”

    There was nothing flip about my comments. I know much more than anyone about the situation there, having been a railroaded involuntary “patient” for two years and then working there for 13 years. I was suspended and then laid off after reporting cases of payroll fraud.

    Why do you think they have been cutting funding to community mental health? So they can put more and more millions into a futile effort at VSH.

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