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  1. Will Hunter

    I’ve never understood why, if the members of the Chamber really believe that advertising increases State revenues this much, why they don’t assess themselves to raise and spend this money. If the State gains $4.48, the operators of the tourist businesses must gain even more.

  2. Doug Hoffer

    This argument is trotted out every year. Unfortunately, it is largely without merit.

    First, no one questions the magnitude and importance of the tourist industry. The only question is whether the state subsidy is a good investment. In fact, the assertion that “Vermont receives an estimated $4.48 in additional state revenues for every $1 spent on marketing” cannot be substantiated and is terribly misleading.

    The flaw in this reasoning is that it assumes that none of that economic activity would occur without the state expenditures. That is absurd on its face.

    Think about it. The businesses in the related industries spend huge sums of money on advertising & marketing — probably $50 – $80 million per year. The state spends $5m +/- but only half of that is direct spending because the rest is for salaries & overhead. So how can we measure the return on investment from the state’s $2m – $3m compared to the industry’s $50 – $80m? The answer is we can’t. There is no methodology available to answer the question.

    Here is what the Legislature’s economist said about this issue in Nov. 2002:
    “There is currently no credible analysis that can quantify the return-on-investment of public travel and tourism expenditures to the State of Vermont. Due to significant questions associated with cause and effect as well as lags in the timing of impacts, absent any further Vermont-specific analysis, the State should not assume that incremental public expenditures in this area will necessarily be offset by increased state tax revenues.”
    http://www.leg.state.vt.us/jfo/Reports/VDTM%20Study%2011-2002.pdf

    So how do we justify spending $5m versus $10m or nothing? If you can’t answer that question, there’s a good chance we’re wasting money.

    The legislature will be tempted this year to spend more money for anything that purports to create jobs. But with limited resources, they should be careful, especially when presented with such unsubstantiated but feel good proposals as this one.

  3. Tom Edison

    I also wonder about this, “The Vermont tourism employee who is the primary household wage earner earns $42,350 per year, 15 percent above the average income of $36,949 for all employed individuals in Vermont.”
    Lift attendants, chambermaids, food servers make this much? I know people who are primary household wage earners with these jobs and they don’t make that much …
    So what, we cut more from social services for advertising? Preposterous. That’s like not eating three days a month to watch television.

    1. Doug Hoffer

      Tom – Note how they worded it: “primary household wage earner”. This excludes an awful lot of workers. Here are some figures (Occupation, Jobs, Median hourly wage; all from the VT Dept. of Labor, 2008 OES)

      Maids & Housekeeping Cleaners – 2,240 – $10.16
      Hotel, motel, and resort desk clerks – 820 – $10.85
      Amusement and recreation attendants – 680 – $9.36

      That’s 3,740 jobs that pay less than $23,000 / year (even assuming they’re all year round, which they’re not).

      And this doesn’t include food service workers or retail, both of which pay poorly as well. Indeed, if the wages were so good, why do ski areas have to import workers from other countries?

      And let’s not forget the hidden costs like the hundreds (perhaps thousands) of tourist industry workers who receive various types of public assistance because of their low wages.

      In the end, we shouldn’t demonize the industry. The only question is whether these subsidies are an appropriate (and cost-effective) use of taxpayer funds.

  4. Doug Hoffer

    to the editor

    once again, the Chamber posted something on your site but has failed to respond to any of the comments; why should you give them access if they’re just using the site to spread their misleading talking points but refuse to engage?

  5. Tom Cecere

    Given that Vermont has an established “brand” and tourism is a known category, I’d expect 10 or 15:1 ratios for marketing to revenue. If this were a single business, we’d be spending 18% on marketing…which is not sustainable.

    The hospitality taxes are not 18%; even with the income taxes added in, it’s hard to see how the state isn’t losing money on this. But more troublesome to me…why tourism? Most of it is automotive, causing all sorts of carbon footprint. Why not software? I could sure use some extra marketing money to compete against those mean, big bad California companies…and we don’t pollute! How’s about it, state lady?

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