Comments on: Shumlin confident death with dignity, child-care worker unionization, marijuana decriminalization bills will pass this year http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year Vermont news: Breaking, in-depth and investigative coverage of politics, business and public affairs Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:33:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0 By: Bob Moyer http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44769 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 11:57:04 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44769 The “Death With Dignity” bill should be passed – many of us would like to have that choice. Faced with a fatal, debilitating illness, if I did not have the assurance that someone could assist my departure from this world, I would feel I had to take steps to do so myself while I was still able to do so, probably long before I would choose to do so otherwise.

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By: rosemarie jackowski http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44678 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 19:20:01 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44678 Why is it not available at my local public tax supported library? I had donated copies to them so that no one would have to pay to read it.

You are correct. It is not banned at independent book stores – such as The Northshire… hopefully it will be back up on Amazon soon.

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By: William Dods http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44658 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:43:51 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44658 This is a curious agenda indeed for Shumlin to choose for a headline for the second term. The governor has chosen to highlight social issues rather than the huge economic issues that face this state and will obviously have a greater impact on the lives of Vermonters. Why no mention of his massive overhaul of healthcare? Why no mention of the costs of rebuilding after Irene? Why no mention of some strategy for economic growth? Why no mention of energy policy?
This is either an attempt to distract the public from the really “hard things” or the beginning of the Democratic Party overreaching. Or both.

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By: krister adams http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44649 Mon, 03 Dec 2012 13:23:25 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44649 Jim: Neither the State nor anyone else but the individual gets to decide to end their life. As the article states…”Shumlin said he supports the death with dignity bill because he doesn’t understand why the state should interfere in a private decision made by an individual who has a terminal illness and wants to avoid suffering through the last 10 to 14 days of life.”

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By: rosemarie jackowski http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44566 Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:43:16 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44566 About the ‘Death Bill’… First we need to never allow 300 cases of reported abuse of the disabled and elderly to go ignored. Then we need to understand that the leading cause of violent death of elderly wpomen in Vermont is murder by a family member. Then we need to stop ‘suggesting’ that it is the elderly, in the last months of life, who use up all of the money for health care. Imagine the guilt that lays on Grandpa. I could write a book on this topic, but it would probably be banned in Vermont (just like the last book I wrote).

Then we need to end ‘agism’ in our culture. This form of prejudice against the elderly/disabled/ill would not be tolerated by any other group. “Death with dignity” is hate speech. Let’s call it what it is. We need to insure ‘life with dignity’ till the very end.

Please see this article and the comments that follow it.
http://mwcnews.net/focus/politics/16528-humanize-or-euthanize.html

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By: Stephanie Wheelock http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44483 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 13:07:48 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44483 Governor Shumlin got it right – allowing child care providers to organize is a first step to fixing our child care system. While we are all dedicated to the work that we do, there is still a 40% turnover rate in our profession. It is time to elevate the profession to the level it deserves

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By: Jim Barrett http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44454 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 01:06:37 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44454 Shumlin or should I say skumlin is just another example of a person who many of you voted for………! Now the elderly, sick, depressed, those without family for protection have to worry about is a damn government killing them. This entire issue is sick bigtime to even think of some government agency having the responsibility for ending another humans life via a doctor. This country is going straight to he.. and no one seems to care…….there is no one left for the sick to depend on. Anyone who trusts any government to supervise a killing of anyone is totally dreaming, they can’t run a social security program or medicare to say nothing of participating in the premature death of a citizen. If this is passed, it will be the beginning of the end of civilization as we know it and SKUMLIN should be held responsible!

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By: Karl Riemer http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44438 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:30:08 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44438 If only it could always be so.
As is often the case, anecdotes about when something isn’t needed are utterly irrelevant to a discussion of when it is. Often, this being a case in point, the arguments against seem predicated on an assumption that allowing an option makes that option normal, usual or mandatory. Has legalizing same-sex marriage triggered an epidemic of previously content people trading in their opposite-sex spouses for ones of the same sex? Seriously, try, even occasionally, speaking to the actual issue, which is the sanctity of a personal, private decision between a doctor (who has probably thought about the Hippocratic Oath in more detail than you have) and a patient that is really none of your business.

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By: Karl Riemer http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44436 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 20:13:51 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44436 If I understand you correctly, you are sufficiently convinced that because your teenage son misconstrued a message, and your fearful wife mischaracterized a routine offer, we should collectively forbid anyone from making a private decision that you, yourself, might not make.
It’s true that many approach this issue with the discerning intellect of angry teenagers, or the paranoia of helpless hospital patients, but holding up their false reasoning and false conclusions as standards by which we should judge the merit of this legislation is irresponsible.

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By: Margo Howland http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44423 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:53:00 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44423 I would like to see three of the four bills passed. The so-called “death with dignity” law needs to be relegated to the ash heap. It’s assisted sucide and flies in the face of the Hippocratic oath, “First do no harm.” There should be more education about palliative care. Properly provided, palliative care provides the person in the end stages of life comfort and freedom from pain. Both of my elderly parents spent their final days in their own home, free from pain, aware of and enjoying the presence of their loved ones around them. My father died a few days before Christmas nine years ago. He looked around at his children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren standing in the glow of the Christmas lights singing Christmas carols to him, and he beamed at my mother and said, “This is the happiest day of my life.” My mother also died during the Christmas holiday season (New Year’s Day) and spent her last days with a contented smile as her extended family spent time with her, reading to her, reciting poetry that she loved (she’d recite right along with us), and sharing music. She had hospice, the best of palliative care, and comfort measures. Now THAT was a dignified death.

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By: Guy Page http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44406 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:49:45 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44406 Speaking just for myself, it should be noted that Gov. Shumlin has confidently predicted passage of the assisted suicide law every year, and every year it goes down in flames. As it did in Massachusetts this November – in one of the most under-reported stories of the year, the people of Massachusetts, with the urging of the widow of Sen. Ted Kennedy, rejected a “death with dignity” referendum, even while voting for Pres. Obama and electing a Democratic senator (Warren) over a sitting Republican (Brown). The Bay State did not have a Tea Party experience, rather they acted on their own cherished values of compassion for the needy, and said “no” to end-of-life suicide.

IMHO there are many good reasons for its persistent failure, despite a determined push from national activists. For starters, the active support for assisted suicide as Vermont law is quite narrow – the core, a group of politically active seniors from Shelburne, do not lack for persistence, but they are not representative of a grassroots trend of Vermonters, whatever they might claim. Their oft-mentioned poll numbers are based on a “feel good” question that bears little real-world resemblence to the nitty gritty of assisted suicide as it would be practiced. And that is the problem – the nitty gritty. The devil is in the details, the real-world consequences. I have seen the expression on the face of my troubled, suicide-prone teenaged son as he declared that the bill’s supporters were hypocrites because they are preaching one thing to him (“it never gets so bad that suicide is an option”) and another to themselves (“if you want, suicide is an option”). Against such a conclusion there is drawing distinctions or making fine points – it is just waved away as adult BS. I have also heard the fear in my wife’s voice as she told me, shortly after enduring some very expensive surgery, that some hospital social worker wanted her to sign a “do not resuscitate” order. To Diane (sinced passed away), this was not due diligence in trying to determine the patient’s wishes – the message she heard was “you are expensive and if we can avoid further expense, that would be okay with us, sign here if you agree.” So just the fear of her medically-permitted demise drove a wedge between her and her caregivers at a critical time in her care.

Patients like my wife need to know that the doctors are on their side, always. Teens need to hear an unequivocal message that suicide is never an option. Both of these vital social contracts are compromised and corrupted by making doctors the bringers of death. I could go on and on, and I expect other Vermonters also will share their stories about why this is not a good idea, at all, for society at large.

And I close with one final thought – in explaining his support for the bill, Gov. Shumlin invoked the fear of a woman dying in terrible pain. This fear is horribly understandable by all, but I have been told by medical experts that the norm in end-of-life care now, even for cancer, is a dignified, pain-free passage. Vermont must continue to provide for all of the needs of the living patient, so that they may have true “death with dignity.”

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By: David Black http://vtdigger.org/2012/11/28/shumlin-confident-death-with-dignity-childcare-worker-unionization-marijuana-decriminalization-bills-will-pass-this-year/#comment-44403 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:36:42 +0000 http://vtdigger.org/?p=71685#comment-44403 Like the saying goes: Becareful what you wish for. By the way, what is wrong with the way thing were or are?

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