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  1. It would be interesting to see an analysis of what other methods some of the energy companies listed here use to influence the political process. Perhaps an examination of those who are heavy hitters when it comes to political contributions such as Mr. Blittersdorf of NRG and All Earth Renewables who has contributed $140,000 to federal campaigns and soft money organizations since 2007 (source opensecrets.org Donor Lookup, $160,000 if you include Jan Blittersdorf’s donations) and $13,500 to state races in the 2010 election alone (source Common Cause Vermont Master Contributer Rollup). Or perhaps those groups that offer high paying positions to former politicians, such as Vermont Energy Investment Corporations $107,000 per year salary to Scudder Parker for “Consulting” (source VEIC 2010 Form 990 viewable through Guidestar.org). Perhaps including advocacy organizations that engage in the same conduct, such as High Meadows Fund’s employment of Gaye Symington for $80,000 ($105,420 including all compensation)(source High Meadows Fund Form 990 viewable through Guidestar.org).

  2. A much more economically-viable and environmentally-beneficial measure to reduce CO2 would be increased energy efficiency. A 60% reduction in Btu/$ of GDP is entirely possible with existing technologies. Such a reduction would merely place the US on par with most European nations.

    It would be much wiser, and more economical, to shift subsidies away from expensive renewables, that produce just a little of expensive, variable, intermittent energy, towards increased EE. Those renewables would not be needed, if we use those funds for increased EE.

    EE is the low-hanging fruit, has not scratched the surface, is by far the best approach, because it provides the quickest and biggest “bang for the buck”, AND it is invisible, AND it does not make noise, AND it does not destroy pristine ridge lines/upset mountain water runoffs, AND it would reduce CO2, NOx, SOx and particulates more effectively than renewables, AND it would not require any distribution network buildouts, AND it would slow electric rate increases, AND it would slow fuel cost increases, AND it would slow depletion of fuel resources, AND it would create 3 times the jobs and reduce 3-5 times the Btus and CO2 per invested dollar than renewables, AND all the technologies are fully developed, AND it would end the subsidizing of renewables tax-shelters mostly for the top 1% at the expense of the other 99%, AND it would be more democratic/equitable, AND it would do all this without public resistance and controversy.

    http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/46652/reducing-energy-use-houses
    http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/61774/wind-energy-expensive
    http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/64492/wind-energy-reduces-co2-emissions-few-percent
    http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/71771/energy-efficiency-first-renewables-later

    1. You stated-”Those renewables would not be needed, if we use those funds for increased EE.”

      And so then we can keep right on mining or blowing up mountains for the coal, fracking for natgas, mining for uranium and subsidizing all of those sources without any interference from those pesky renewables advocates?

      Is this what you’re proposing? Seriously? Business as usual with a bit of conservation thrown in?

      Where is the electricity that we will inevitably continue to use supposed to come from? You can’t conserve yourself out of some kind of continued production at a significant level. But business as usual, minus the amount that can be conserved? Best you can come up with?

      1. Mr. Post isn’t serious about energy efficiency. He only seems to write about it in response to renewable energy proposals, and he omits to mention the tens of millions of dollars the state already puts into electric energy efficiency programs.

        Aside from transportation, the state’s biggest need for energy efficiency is thermal, that is, heating and cooling buildings. There were several bills introduced in the Vermont legislature this year to support thermal energy efficiency, ranging from funding it through a tax on fossil heating fuels to requiring each seller of real property to disclose to prospective buyers the building’s energy performance.

        But you don’t see Mr. Post pushing those bills or, if he disagrees with their particulars, coming up with real alternatives.

      2. Townsend,
        Below are some articles that show I am more serious about EE than RE.
        Please read them. They have been available on THE ENERGY COLLECTIVE for some months, as are about 22 of my articles.

        http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/46652/reducing-energy-use-houses
        http://theenergycollective.com/willem-post/71771/energy-efficiency-first-renewables-later

      3. Rob,
        The low hanging fruit is EE.
        It should be done BEFORE RE for the reasons I stated.
        The mining of coal, gas, nuclear, etc., would be less, if the US uses 50% less energy/$of GDP, as does Japan and Denmark, etc.

        1. No one denies that conservation and efficiency are the low hanging fruit, but your answer seems to be that otherwise, beyond all possible C & E, that we can continue to use the same generation sources that we have been using, otherwise unabated.

          First, this implies that you’re perfectly okay with the subsidies that flow to Coal, Oil, Nuclear and Gas (CONG) even though those industries would continue to be hugely profitable without them. Also with the fact that those generation sources have been artificially inexpensive over their entire usage histories because of the fact that they don’t bear the social costs of their use.

          You also complain about the “subsidizing of renewables tax-shelters mostly for the top 1% at the expense of the other 99%” as if the subsidies for CONG don’t eventually flow to that 1% in amounts that make the subsidies for renewables look like chump change.

          Yet not only are those generation sources already massively profitable, they are demonstrably a lot worse in terms of environmental impacts than the renewables, especially in the case of mountaintop removal coal, oil from tar sands and potentially from natgas fracking and uranium mining and spent fuel storage. This includes their impact on other natural environments and water resources as well as carbon footprint.

          Those in the forefront of research about the impacts of energy use on climate change have generally agreed that not only do we need to use energy more efficiently, we need to switch ASAP to low carbon generation. In other words all of the above, not just one or the other.

          So again I ask, what are you suggesting we do about continued generation, if not renewables?

  3. Mr. Peters has it right when he says the biggest issue we face is thermal (though transportation should not be passed over).

    The challenge with thermal is that it’s expensive (you need to spend money to save money); the incentives and financing mechanisms do not make it easy for middle-income folks to make these investments; and it’s not sexy. Sure, you’ll save 30% on your fuel costs, but you don’t get a panel on your roof that your neighbors can admire!

    The thermal conversation is one that Vermonters need to engage in deeply. If we are to stay in our houses and be able to afford to live in VT, we need to reduce our heating fuel use – and the way you do that is to make significant investments in building retrofits, aka weatherization.

    1. Liz,
      You are absolutely right. And you make these investments BEFORE any RE systems are added to your house; their capacities (and capital costs) would be less. See my above comment.

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