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  1. “I’m just reassuring everyone they have a voice,” he said.

    How can he say that everyone will have a voice when they already have their agenda…pass single payer (by default) at all costs…This is about politics, not healthcare. If they are so proud of this whole process, then how come their report is not due out until AFTER the elections? And how come there is no back-up plan? I’m one of those people and healthcare providers that plan on leaving Vermont if this socialized healthcare scheme goes through! I’m all about improving healthcare…but other solutions that were ignored…TORT Reform….Letting people know costs…use of health Savings Accounts…competition with healthcare Insurance Companies across state lines offering individualized plans…disconnecting coverage from employment…setting up high risk pools… I believe, could be enacted quickly and would not only increase coverage but would also decrease costs. The only areas of medicine that have gotten cheaper and have improved (Eye Laser Surgery and Cosmetic Surgery)did so because of patient control..not control by Beaurocratic Czars, as in the green Mountain Care Board!

  2. Ms. Crocker

    Please provide evidence that tort reform saves money for patients as opposed to doctors and insurance companies.

    As for health savings accounts, they are of no use to families without sufficient income to save. HSAs are of most use to healthy people and to wealthy people as tax shelters.

    1. “As for health savings accounts, they are of no use to families without sufficient income to save. HSAs are of most use to healthy people and to wealthy people as tax shelters.’

      That is why they call it a savings account. You have to start saving…get it? Instead of the Playstation and the trip to Disney and the $9 pack of cigarettes, try savings your money. Novel concept. Mr. Hoffer clearly likes class warfare rhetoric…blame the wealthy.

      As I have said before, the Progressives are just as bad when it comes to creating division on this issue.

    2. Doug,

      Tort reform does not just lower the medical liability costs of physicians and insurers. When physicians order tests defensively to protect themselves from a possible malpractice claim, health care dollars are spent. Protection from such claims would lower the number of these tests that would save the payers (Medicare/Medicaid/taxpayers/patients/employers) money. “Medical-liability reforms such as capping noneconomic damages and tightening the statute of limitation for filing a suit would trim $54 billion from the federal deficit over 10 years, largely by curbing defensive medicine, according to a report released Friday by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO).”
      See: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/710364

      Unfortunately, the minimal amount of tort reform in the PPACA law will likely be sidelined. See: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/67780.html

  3. But Mr. Powers, don’t you understand? Doug and Bernie think it’s unfair that Person A should have to spare himself the Playstation and cigaretts in order to pay for something when Person B doesn’t have to do that. Don’t you get it? It’s not fair to Person A that he can’t buy a Playstation and cigs AND have healthcare! It’s downright un-American!

  4. “You have to start saving…get it?”

    We get it alright. We know how much of a scam these health savings accounts are. Except in rare circumstances among the 1%, precious few among the 99% will be able to save enough to cover even a minor medical expense, never mind a major one. And once that savings is gone, then you’re stuck with the rest of the bill yourself. Good luck with that one.

    1. Mr. Carpenter..

      HSA’s work and they work well. They may not work for every single person in the USA, but that does not mean we should abolish the entire system for some Progressive dream of another free government entitlement program. Expand your horizons beyond 294 N Winooski Avenue and try to understand overspending by governments and less than 50% taxation of the population. It does not work…it will never work. Also try to understand that the very same politicians you adore were the ones that bailed out the 1% and continue to do so.

      Try to think through this statement…”I dislike business and making money…but I want jobs” Can’t have one without the other.

      1. Mr. Powers

        Your assertion that less than 50% of the population pays taxes absolutely is untrue.

        – Everyone who works pays payroll taxes: 6.75% right off the top for Social Security & Medicare. Note that someone who earns $300,000 from wages pays only 2.5% because they only pay on the first $110,000.
        – Everyone that owns a home pays municipal & statewide education property taxes (and renters pay indirectly since landlords cover their taxes through rents.
        – Everyone who buys goods at the store pays sales taxes.
        – Seventy six percent (76%) of Vermonters who filed income taxes in 2009 paid taxes. Note that 298 filers with income over $100,000 paid NO income taxes, including 42 with income over $300,000.

        1. Mr. Hoffer:

          I was speaking about tax evasion in Greece on a much more macro level. Should have clarified better.

          Look at your long list of taxes people pay in VT. Now the Progressives want to add another payroll tax to fund a government healthcare system? What’s next…free TV’s, free cable, free housing…etc funded by another tax? Sooner or later you will run out of folks to tax because there will only be people living in VT who suck off the system instead of paying in. The flight of people moving to FL from VT, to escape the tax insanity, is real. Everytime you go after them, they leave. Unintended consequence that the Progressives never think of…

          1. Mr. Powers

            You said, “Now the Progressives want to add another payroll tax to fund a government healthcare system.”

            Actually, a majority of legislators supported the effort to move toward single payer health care, not just Progressives. Moreover, while any tax to fund it would technically be new, it would simply replace what we currently pay for health insurance premiums so it’s not new expenditures.

            You also said, “The flight of people moving to FL from VT, to escape the tax insanity, is real.”

            According to the Census Bureau, the rate of out migration from Vermont is nearly identical to the rate in New Hampshire, which has comparatively low taxes.

            Much of what you’ve been told about these issues is false.

            Finally, to compare health care to cable TV is to trivialize an issue of great importance.

  5. “competition with healthcare Insurance Companies across state lines offering individualized plans.”

    I have had experience with insurance companies across state lines and can tell you what it is like. While it sounds great in theory, just like the theory of competition in general regarding health care, this is no panancea to substitute for the whole sale health reform that we need. Insurance companies across state lines are as bad, and probably much worse, than the ones here.

    Craig:

    Thanks for your post. I am sure that HSA’s (Health Savings Accounts) do some good for a few people. For most people, however, including me, they would do aboslutely no good at all since they could not possibly cover the amount of what a medical expense would cost, especially a major one, no matter how long you have saved. And since most major illnesses require more than one trip to the hospital or whatever, an HSA would be wiped out long before it could do much good. To paraphrase Doug H. from one of his posts above, about all that they are good for is a tax write-off for the wealthy.

  6. I think Walt has hit it exactly right.

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