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  1. What an incredibly lame defense. The fact that Kesha Ram is the youngest member of the legislature or that Sweeney is a retired school counselor or that Botsow is affable are irrelevant facts. The fact that they are underpaid for their service as trustees is also irrelevant. The Fogel payoff is obnoxious and clearly indefensible as has just been proven by Mr. Kreis. These legislators will hopefully be made to explain it to their constituents, none of whom, as Kreis has correctly stated, will ever walk in Fogel’s shoes. You want evidence of a lack of vigilance? The vote is the evidence.

  2. There are probably hundreds of employees at UVM in all realms of the university that work five times harder than Fogel did and only get the boot. As a taxpayer of Vermont it is difficult at best to see the reasoning behind this severance when it can cost me a thousand bucks just to take a course there, much less go twenty years in hock to get a degree. No, like the$7.25 million blue cross golden parachute this seems like a case of CEO taking it for all he or she can get.

    1. Walter how true,

      It is sad to realize that our American Colleges and Universities are really “Rich Boy Clubs” so to speak.

      Its really not about “Education” in the US, its about money and power.

      Similar to health care, “Education” in the US is not at all universal and guys like you and I, will just be cast aside. Education and Healthcare are both like driving a car in that they’re not rights but rather privileges, for the previleged at that.

      We’ve created a mockery in our country.

  3. Hey Don thanks,

    Who at Vermont Law School would I send a few free copies of my book to?

  4. Avarice and arrogance has reduced UVM’s credibility to that of a reality TV show. As long as there is an audience willing to pay increasingly exorbitant tuition, the story line won’t change and the actors will get paid millions.

  5. Its about bringing in rich out of state money.

    Its about selling “Vermont” to out of state parents.

    Its about hiring out of staters who will someday call themselves “Vermonters.”

    Its about putrid opulence and yes arrogance. There is not one humble thing about them.

    Both Champlain College and UVM have redefined a “Vermont Education” to the highest bidder.

    Its revolting, hateful and highly discriminatory.

  6. Don he got more than you stated in your article.

    If your going to “inform” the public, then you need to be more thorough.

    What about the $20,000 “Wellness” package? Oh yeah and the “Car?” Is that from the Automaster?

    I’d imagine any free tuition would add up as well.

    Its not just the money. Its the misinformation practiced by our own media.

    Education needs to be more accessable to Vermont tax payers, which includes being more honestly informed.

  7. “Fogel deserved something better than simply being booted out the door.”

    Who’s booting him? He resigned!

    “Those who would criticize the nine legislator-trustees for approving the Fogel severance package should walk a mile in their shoes. How many of those complaining about Fogel’s golden parachute have had the experience of being a fiduciary of a large, publicly accountable organization?”

    How much more must we suffer this lame logic? A university president is not an island to himself. He has colossal power and resources at his disposal, not only to assist in making his decisions, but also to carry them out. One would think the man was personally performing every task, right down to cleaning the toilets. Most of us can only dream of filling such a position as that of University president. It is most reasonable to expect the best of those who do. If he fails, he deserves no more sympathy than the fellow whose marital problems interfere with his properly cleaning toilets. The day they start rewarding janitors with golden parachutes, I’ll reconsider my opinion.

    “In particular, who among us has had to review and set compensation arrangements for someone whose salary and benefits are vastly in excess of their own?”

    Since when does the size of our salaries determine our abilities to comprehend a concept? Is Mr. Kreis a gratuitous elitist, or merely “drunk on power and prestige”?

    “When he announced his resignation, Fogel said his wife faces some significant mental health issues — a contention that is both unrebutted and, obviously, a reason to feel sympathy rather than scorn for the Fogels.”

    From published reports, it appears that Ms. Kahn-Fogel’s main problem is that being spouse to a well-paid university official is less than satisfactory. However, making it on her own has its drawbacks as well. As for Fogel himself, it seems he has to keep his house in order. Failing to do so may compromise his public reputation and diminish his and his office’s prestige.

    Thus, both have much to gain by owning his/her share of their personal problems and dealing with them–and it would appear that their efforts have failed. Either way, I am not impressed by Fogel’s public declaration of his wife’s “mental health issues.” The implied message: “None of this mess is my fault.” While I have no way of knowing, the gentleman doth protest too much, methinks.

    These people are wealthy enough to meet their own therapy needs. Suppose there were no “mental health issues,” but that instead, Fogel’s wife was killed in an automobile accident. Would that situation make Fogel deserve compassion and sympathy? Of course. But would it entitle him to gobs of money? From his wife’s life insurance policy maybe, but not from the coffers of a public institution of higher education.

    The scorn I feel is not toward a situation which may merit sympathy, but rather that a bunch of sycophant’s have decided that the Fogels’ failure is one which merits so much financial reward along with said sympathy. No matter how you slice it, rewarding their failure (no matter who is at fault) is highly unnecessary and inappropriate.

    “But should we throw the battered women’s advocate, the retired school counselor and the visual artist off the UVM board of trustees as a result?”

    Perhaps.

    “Given the way the world works, would their successors look more, or less, like regular Vermonters?”

    If their world worked like it does for the rest of us, their jobs would be outsourced.

    1. Steven,

      I could not have said it better myself. Thank you!

      It makes one wonder if the Vermont Journalism Trust is an honest organization. Our media needs to do a better job.

      Sheer arrogance, holds no place in our College’s and Universities.

      I should have stayed in France.

  8. Mr. Kreis, I’m sorry that your well-argued piece apparently had no effect on the above 5 commentators.

    Mr. Noll in particular seems to have a lot of time on his hands since he is responsible for 5 of the 9 gripes above. Yes, maybe he should have stayed in France. No wait, they don’t work there, either.

    My only quibble with your piece is the following:

    “No one has come forward with a shred of evidence to demonstrate a lack of such vigilance on the part of the legislators who help govern UVM.”

    I agree with you about the legislators. But there is one high-profile trustee who can be accused of not doing his diligence, but who, ironically, has blathered on the most and the loudest about the unfairness of this package. And that would be Gov. Shumlin. He is a trustee, but he didn’t attend the meeting where the package was discussed and voted on. Isn’t there an old saying about how you can’t complain about the election results if you didn’t vote? Our top politician had a vote and didn’t even show up at the polls. And now is complaining about the results. Gee, could that be because he knew what the meeting was going to be about and he didn’t WANT to have to vote.

    1. Mr. Jansen thank you,

      “Mr. Kreis, I’m sorry that your well-argued piece apparently had no effect on the above 5 commentators.”

      Would we have posted comments if it had “no effect?”

      “Mr. Noll in particular seems to have a lot of time on his hands since he is responsible for 5 of the 9 gripes above.”

      Perhaps if I were not so maliciously blacklisted by the above named institutions (which exist for the betterment of our lives) I WOULD have less time on my hands. It is ambiguously ironic and sad to say the least that higher educational institutions ruin lives and not improve them. Your math skills are stellar.

      “Yes maybe he should have stayed in France.”

      So we agree.

      “No wait, they don’t work there either.”

      I wasn’t sure if your remark was bigoted, truthful, or both. From day one of full time employment all French citizens are guaranteed 5 full weeks of paid vacation.
      Sounds awful doesn’t it? So I guess your remark is correct within a certain context. The French do work less than we do, if you’re employed that is.

  9. Attempting to divert attention from the actions of the trustees by focusing on the Governor is clasic misdirection but it doesn’t wash.

    The previous posts are right on the money. The legislative members have lives and careers apart from their roles on the UVM board. But as was noted, that is irrelevant. Good people sometimes make bad decisions.

    I’m reminded of what happened after Fletcher Allen’s CEO was busted for lying about the expansion and the financing. The entire board was replaced.

    The UVM board of trustees no longer has the confidence of the people of this state. They should resign.

    1. Thank you Doug Hoffer,

      I cannot express the detriment and harm that has come to my career from UVM and Champlain College. I’ll spend the rest of my life writing about it.

  10. “The UVM board of trustees no longer has the confidence of the people of this state. They should resign.”

    Or at the very least try to figure out a way that Vermonters who want to utilize this university that they are paying so lavishly for can do so without incurring thousands of dollars in debts as the ex-president gloms it for all he can get.

    1. They’ll send you to the continuing Ed department and try to get you to spend your money (or the banks money) on something that wont’ allow you to earn a degree.

      What good does that do if you’re trying to better yourself?

  11. “I’ll spend the rest of my life writing about it.”

    Yeah, apparently, all on this thread. That’s 7 posts by you so far.

    1. Actually I just counted my posts and I take back my remark about your math skills.

  12. There needs to be more transparencey and We need to reduce college cost by 40%. This is a perfect example of the Rich getting richer. and passing it on to the rest of us.
    We need to make our higher ed system more affordable to everyone.
    So that more young people will stay and live in VT!!!!!

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