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  1. Call a spade a spade Bob. It’s SUICIDE, plain and simple. It’s not “liquid medicine” either, it’s POISON. You attempt to link this issue with marriage to give it more credibility. There is no law against suicide but there is a law against killing someone else. Hasn’t there been enough teen suicide and you want government sponsor the act? Jack Kevorkian is out of prison, maybe the two of you could invent a suicide device that runs on solar power.

    1. Mr. Bellini,

      The government should protect us from coercion, among other things. If there is no coercion involved in a person’s decision to commit suicide, and a doctor (or nurse or whomever) is willing to provide poison (or medicine) to facilitate that process, then the government should have no role in blocking that decision; without coercion, the doctor is not “killing someone else,” but helping somebody do it on their own. If God opposes that arrangement, then the folks involved will have some uncomfortable questions to answer on Judgement Day, with eternal consequences. Until then, the government should not stand in anyone’s way.

      1. Jamal, I understand your point. On one level I agree regarding any uncoerced action that is not adveresly affecting someone else. I never mentioned “God”, “Judgment Day” or any theological aspects to my objection to the bill. I am concerned that what is uncoerced today, may evolve. Government, legislation and social mores being dynamic vs. static. I also believe regardless of intent or literal application, it sends a message.

        1. Mr. Bellini,

          I don’t want you to think I was trying to attribute religious motivations to you; those are actually concepts that occur to *me* when considering physician-assisted suicide.

        2. It does. That’s the point. The message is that a person’s life belongs to that person, not to you. Your opinion, to which you are entitled, should have no bearing.

  2. Dirty secret (actually I don’t think its dirty at all) – doctors are already helping folks die as peacefully as possible – and they should be doing that. A ‘death with dignity’ bill (and yes – we are talking about one being have to have some peace and dignity at the very end of one’s life) will simply mean good doctors can continue to be good doctors without fear of retribution from those who think think life should be extended no matter the terminal suffering involved.

    My mother had a living will that included a provision for aggressive treatment of pain even at risk of shortening her life. I know what she meant by that as we had spoken numerous times about her end of life wishes – she wanted the opportunity to go peacefully and quickly when the end was obvious. The laws simply did not (and do not) allow her that simple control over her own person and her own life – instead we had to let her go on her second terms: a slower process of starvation and dehydration.

    That is a moral crime. We go to extremes to protect one’s wishes when it comes to dispersal of estates after death – yet we can’t treat the last dying desires with anything close to that respect.

    ‘Death with dignity’ is about death with dignity. Period.

    Mr. Bellini – shame on you for trying to link end of life treatment with the worst damages that teen emotions can inflict.

  3. Great argument, Bob. Pretty clear example of Vermont reasonableness.

  4. Bob, you already know where I stand on this issue, so we’re allies, but rarely have I seen the arguments laid out as clearly or as well as in your piece above. Of course no particular end-of-life solution should ever be imposed on an unwilling person, and safeguards can be built in to prevent that, but those safeguards have to include allowing me to make whatever choice I wish, and a legal, merciful end at a time of my own choosing, with assitence in obtaining the necessary presciption, represents my choice. Other may then choose whatever is appropriate according to their beliefs. Very simple, really.

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