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  1. The following statement in the article doesn’t seem correct to me. You might want to check it.
    (The Vermont Joint Fiscal Office on Tuesday said 93 percent of Vermonters who earn less than $150,000 itemize deductions.)

    1. I wondered about that too. However, it didn’t say that 93% of those who earn less than $150k itemize.

      It said “93 percent of itemized deductions are claimed by Vermonters who earn less than $150,000.”

      1. I’d also be interested in the dollar value of the itemized deductions taken by various income levels.

  2. It will appear as though taxes are being lowered when in reality they’ll be increased. Eliminating itemized deductions will increase taxes mostly on the wealthy with the benefit of not having to call it that. This is all smoke and mirrors that amounts to a tax increase the governor promised he wouldn’t give us.

    1. Mr. Herrick

      You are mistaken.
      Model 13 Revision 2 for instate filers is the majority recommendation (page 94 of the report).
      http://www.vermonttaxreform.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/WEB-REPORT-2.pdf

      It shows clearly that they intended to cut $19.3 million from the income tax (to be made up primarily with expanded sales tax revenues). Most of the savings would be for the wealthy. Those earning over $500,000 would get $12 million in savings.

  3. Does it really make sense to adjust reality in order to correct a “myth” or a “PR problem”? This is the reality we should be looking at: “The total effective tax rate in 2007 – including property, sales and income taxes – was 9.4 percent for people earning between $34,000 and $54,000, according to ITEP. The top 1 percent of Vermonters (people who make $1 million a year or more) paid 7.5 percent of their incomes on property, sales and income taxes in 2007; the poor were taxed at total effective rate of about 8.2 percent.”

  4. This is not correct:

    “If you’re poor in Illinois, the actual income tax rate is roughly 13 percent; if you happen to be in the top 1 percent, the total effective rate for property, sales and income taxes is about 4 percent.”

    The income tax rate for the least wealthy decile is not 13%. The effective rate of all taxes as a percentage of income is 13%. There are several other apples to oranges comparisons.

    Also, does anyone know if the ITEP data takes into consideration direct and indirect government transfer payments when it refers to income?

    1. The numbers may have been described incorrectly but they are otherwise accurate.

      In Illinois, state & local taxes as a percentage of income are 13% for lowest quintile and 4.1% for the top 1% of filers. The comparable figures for Vermont are much less regressive (8.2% and 7.5%).

      As for transfer payments, I’m not sure what you’re after. They are not taxed and, moreover, ITEP examined tax liabilities, not income. They compared the tax “burden” across states by income class. This is a very valuable analysis.

      1. How can you calculate tax “burden” without knowing income wherein tax burden is defined as total net taxes paid divided by total income regardless of source?

        Once you start ignoring income due to its source then you end up playing the same games, deductions and offsets, ITEP cites and compensates for.

        At least be consistent in some manner.

        Of course some direct and indirect income is impossible to measure at the individual level, such as gifts or non-cash benefits (health insurance).

  5. Here is another take on equity. ITEP incorporates the so-called federal offset into their effective tax rates. OK, that’s fair to me. But they don’t incorporate what people get back for the taxes they pay.

    According to the Tax Foundation, which is the right’s equivalent to ITEP, taxes are not a bad “investment” for the less well off.

    “Overall, we find that America’s lowest-earning one-fifth of households received roughly $8.21 in government spending for each dollar of taxes paid in 2004. Households with middle-incomes received $1.30 per tax dollar, and America’s highest-earning households received $0.41.”

    http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/2286.html

    Remember, neither organization is completely objective and both present statistics in a manner to bolster their biases.

    1. This is laughable.

      The Tax Foundation is in no way equivalent to ITEP.
      The former has a clear purpose: fight taxes for the rich.
      The latter is recognized by all but the ideologically bound as a serious source of objective data on tax policy.

      To suggest that the Tax Foundation’s work is worthy of peer reviewed journals is just outrageous. Here is one simple example of the fatal flaws in the cited report. The Tax Foundation does not consider tax expenditures in its calculation of government “spending.” This is no less absurd for being predictable.

      Unless you can show a similar fatal flaw in the ITEP analysis, you cannot argue that both are equally biased.

  6. So that I get this right, would you consider income sensitivity and exclusion of food and clothing from the sales tax as tax expenditures?

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